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Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Mike Douglas (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jul 2002 1:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tugnutt, Sawkins, Dunk, Peters, Baker, Rice, Gammon
Tracing my mother's family I am interested in any of the following:
Harry "Henry" Tugnutt (Tugnot on 1851 Census) b abt 1821 in Poynings who married Eliza, surname unknown.
They had at least 2 children, Eliza b about 1849 in Brighton and Harry Edwin, b about 1850 in Brighton.
Harry Edwin married Elizabeth Rebecca Dunk, b 14/03/1854 in Brighton, at St Peter's Church Brighton on the 17/11/1878.
They had the following children:
Lily birthdate unknown.
Harry "Henry" b 15/08/1879 Brighton
Herbert b 06/11/1880 Brighton, d 08/12/1948
Rose Eliza b 29/08/1882 Brighton
Elizabeth Mary b 06/12/1885 Brighton, d 20/01/1955 Croydon
Ada b about 1887 Brighton
Annie Ethel b 15/08/1889 Worthing, d 21/12/1978 Croydon
Alice May b 19/05/1893 Worthing, d 29/01/1958 Croydon

Harry "Henry" married Lillian and had children called Marjory b 12/03/1908 and Bertie b 29/05/1903.
Herbert married Alice and had children called Jack and Douglas.
Rose Eliza married George Peters and had children called Hilda b 10/04/1913 and Ernest.
Elizabeth Mary married a Mr Baker from Oldham
Annie Ethel married a Mr Rice and on his death remarried a Mr Gammon.
Alice May (my grandmother) married William James Sawkins b 11/12/1893 Worthing and had one child Margaret May b 19/05/1918 Plumstead.
If anybody knows of any connection to any of the above I would love to know more.
Mike Douglas

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Posted: 2 Dec 2004 10:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Tugnutt, Dunk
In searching for my great grandmother, Ada Tugnutt (morphed to Tucknott before her death) I came across the birth date of Ada Tugnutt born to Harry Edwin Tugnutt and Elizabeth Rebecca Tugnutt (formerly Dunk). Birth date 11 Sep 1886 at 20 Park Place, Brighton. You may already have found her by now but thought it worth letting you know........

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Mike Douglas (View posts)
Posted: 7 Dec 2004 4:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dawn,
You do not say if the Ada you mention is "your" Ada, but if she is, then she is also my mother's aunt and I have a lot of info on the family. Thanks for passing the dob and place of birth on as I did not have them.
Perhaps in return you may not have heard of the following Ada's.
1881 Census at 126, London Rd Brighton RG11,Pc1082, F103, P47.
Eliza Walls Widow, 54, Head, Beerhouse Keeper, Brighton
Anna Tugnutt 21, Dtr, Needlewoman, Brighton
Ada Tugnutt, 14, Dtr, Needlewoman, Brighton
Charlotte Hills, 12, GDtr, Scholar, Brighton

Also Ada Caroline Tugnutt got married
1885 June Qtr Vol 2b P414 in Brighton.

Happy hunting for your Tugnutts.
Mike Douglas

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Dawn Lisher (View posts)
Posted: 28 Dec 2004 6:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Mike,
Thanks for the info, it would appear that one of the Ada's you listed (at 126 London Road, Brighton) is an ancestor of mine. However, our Ada's are not the same person. Mine is Ada Clara born 18.5.1879 to John and Jane Tugnutt. If my research produces any link with your Tugnutt's I'll get back in touch!!
Dawn.

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Glen Robins (View posts)
Posted: 16 Mar 2005 9:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

I just found this page after a Google search for "Henry Tugnutt"

I have been researching my family tree, and have recently discovered my great-grandfather George WIlliam Hills. His birth certificate indicates that he is the son of Charles George Hills and Eliza Fanny Tugnutt, who, I believe, was born in late 1848 in Brighton. There is certainly an Eliza Fanny Tucknutt on FreeBMD listed in the September 1848 registry, and the similarity of names is just a little too much for me to think it is coincidental. Her christening details on IGI have her being christened in Brighton on 22 October 1848 and as the daughter of Henry Tugnett and Eliza (surname not llisted)

A search on FreeBMD for a marriage for Henry Tugnutt reveals that there is an Eliza Mockford being married on the same page of the registry, so I had a look back on IGI for Eliza Mockford, and she is listed as marrying a Henry JUGNUTT (surely just a spelling mistake!) on 15th June 1845 in St Nicholas Church, Brighton. I am very much inclined to believe that these are the same individuals as your Harry "Henry" Tugnutt and Eliza from the 1851 Census

The variation in surnames makes it very difficult to be exact about these people, but I am reasonably happy that these are all correct. I would be extremely interested in any other details you may have discovered about this side of the family.

Glen

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Posted: 28 Mar 2005 5:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Mike, Glen,

There is a possibility that we may all be distantly related. My research thus far has got as far as a John Tugnutt b.12 May 1855 (my g-g-grandfather). His birth certificate names his father as Henry Tucknutt and Eliza Tucknutt formerly Mockford. The 1871 census lists the following people at 126 London Rd Brighton:
Henry Tucknutt b circa 1821
Eliza Tucknutt b circa 1823
Thomas Tucknutt b circa 1853
John Tucknutt b circa 1856
Ann Tucknutt b circa 1860
Ada Tucknutt b circa 1867
The two children you mention Glen would have been old enough to have moved away from their parent's address so I am hoping this extra information is relevant to you.

John Tugnutt married Jane Ann Diplock 16 Feb 1869 at St Peters Church Brighton and they went on to have 10 children (Ada Clara 1879, John 1881, George Henry 1882, Jane Emma 1884, Henry 1886, Emily 1888, Charlie 1890, Albert 1892, Frederick 1894, Rosie 1896).

I descend from Ada Clara - do we descend from different branches of the same Henry Tugnutt/Tucknott/Tucknutt?

Dawn.

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Posted: 28 Mar 2005 11:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Apr 2005 11:50PM GMT
Hi Dawn

I would say that there was a very real probability of some strong connection.

The Tugnutt/Tugnott/Tucknutt/Tucknott group can't be so hugeas to accomodate too many Eliza Fanny's, or too many Henry's with a wife called Eliza, so I am quite confident that my g-g-grandmother was the daughter of Henry and Eliza, and if so, then we do share this common lineage.

Harry was living with his father-in-law at 15 Paradise Cottages, Brighton in 1881 and was a blacksmith.

My Eliza and Charley Hills married in 1867 so would not have been at the family home in the 1871 census, and were living in St Peters Street in 1881 which is just behind London Road, so it looks like they kept pretty close to the rest of the family. Charley was also a blacksmith.

What I find most fascinating is that I currently live only a few hundred yards away from London Road, so I'll have to have a look and see what is now at 126 London Road.

The 1871 census information shows that Eliza Mockford was born in approximately 1823. IGI records show an Eliza Elizabeth Mockford, daughter of John Mockford and Elizabeth, being christened at St Nicholas, Brighton on 26 September 1824, so I wonder if this was her. I have also found a website (http://www.mockford.info/famtrees/famtrees.html) which is the Mockford One Name Study, and records John Mockford marrying Elizabeth Baxter on 16 December 1816 in Brighton.

Its nice to finally get in touch with another member of the family after all these (150) years!!

Hope this has been of some help.

Glen

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Mike Douglas (View posts)
Posted: 29 Mar 2005 10:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Well hello relatives!!!!!
I have been away from relative hunting for almost a year following an fairly dreadful 2004, and the original email has not produced too much.Then suddenly like London buses two come along at once.
I am descended from Harry Edwin (b abt 1850) brother to Eliza, Dawn's great-grandmother, and brother to John, Glen's g-g-grandfather. Harry Edwin being my g-grandfather on my mother's side.
I was not aware of Eliza Mockford's maiden name or of any of Eliza Fanny's family so this is a big jump forward.
A few details to be going on with:
1851 Census HO107 P1645 F793
19, Cheltenham Place, Brighton
Henry Tugnot, age 30 (Abt1821) Head Marine Store Dealer b. Poynings
Eliza Tugnot, age 27 (Abt1824) Wife, b Brighton
Eliza Tugnot, age 2 (Abt1849) b Brighton
Harry Tugnot, age 1 (Abt1850) b Brighton

In addition to the Paradise Cottages record in 1881 there is also:
RG11 P1082 F103 P47
126, London Road, Brighton (Surely no coincidence!)
Eliza Walls (Widowed) age 54 (Abt1827) Head Beerhouse Keeper b Brighton
Anna Tugnutt age 21 (Abt1860) Dtr, Needlewoman, b Brighton
Ada Tugnutt age14 (Abt1867) Dtr, Needlewoman, b Brighton
Charlotte Hills age12 (Abt 1869) g-dtr Scholar b Brighton.
So with the Hills connection, these seem like ours and in addition it would appear that between 1871 and 1881, Eliza remarried and then got herself widowed again. I know the "original" Harry (Henry) died prior to 1878 as I have his son Harry Edwin's original Wedding Certificate. Harry (Henry) is described as a deceased Shop Keeper.
Looking forward to learning more,
Mike Douglas

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Posted: 30 Mar 2005 12:59AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Apr 2005 11:50PM GMT
Hi Mike and Dawn

Its good to link up small snippets of information and make a whole picture of a small part of the family tree.

FreeBMD shows a Henry Tucknott dying at the age of 56 in the first quarter of 1876, so I guess thats him. Right age, at least.

It would appear from a brief IGI and FreeBMD search that Eliza Elizabeth (so, she is John Mockfords daughter after all!) Tugnott married Benjamin WALL on 20 October 1879 at Saint Johns in Brighton, only to have him die (as Benjamin WALLS) by June 1880 at the age of 46. Pretty tough on her, losing two husbands in quick succession. Unless her cooking was a bit on the dodgy side!

But it doesn't stop there. It would appear that eventually Eliza Elizabeth Walls got over her double bereavement and married for a third time in 1893, to either William Davies or Richard Kent. FreeBMD shows Richard Kent lasted until 1904 but William Davies only made it to 1901!, So whichever man it was, the marriage wasn't a long one!

Charlotte Hills is a new one on me, but there is certainly space for her to be born between her parents wedding in 1867 and the birth of the first of her known siblings (Louisa) in 1871.

I had a look along London Road today, and the old family house at Number 126 was located, as far as I can tell, underneath the pet food/washing powder aisle of Somerfields. I must have tramped around in the area of the old family living room hundreds of times and not even guessed that I was "home"!

It looks like there are lots of bits of info just bursting to be found on these people, and now the fun starts with the hunt for more!

So Tucknott, Tucknutt, Tugnott, Tugnutt or whatever, the family history for this part is finally coming to light.

Good to hear from both of you, and hope there is much more on this saga still to come

Glen

Re: Brighton/Worthing Tugnutt families

Posted: 30 Mar 2005 12:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Apr 2005 11:50PM GMT
Hi

Me again with some more news

I think I may have missed a vital piece of information in my research, which casts doubt on my relationship to these people. My great-grandfather was definitely George William Hills, as his name appears on my grandfathers rather tatty birth certificate, and my grandfather was born in Brighton in 1920. My grandfather was from his fathers second family after a divorce, which would tie in with the age of about 41 for his father George.

So far so good. All looks very plausible for the connection to the George William Hills I had found. BUT, this is the part where my heart sank a bit. On FreeBMD, I was doing a search for George Hills, just for verification purposes before ordering a certificate, and accidently put in "All Types" of record. Lo and behold, in Mar 1880, there is a death recorded for an infant George William Hills, aged less than 1. It seems to me that this may well be the son of Charles George Hills and Eliza Fanny Tugnutt.

This could also explain why the eldest daughter Charlotte Hills was living with her grandparents on the 1881 census. She must have been so upset about the loss of her baby brother, or alternatively, may have been partly responsible for his death, that she couldn't live at home at the time. I will have to order a certificate to find out the cause of death and see if this is the same child.

If , as I suspect, it does turn out that this is the son of Charles and Eliza, then my connection to this family is impossible, unless they had another son and also called him George William, which would be extremely unlikely and also in very poor taste. My great-grandfather would then have to be some other unknown George Hills and my search will have to start again.

Luckily for you both, none of this affects any of the information about Charles and Eliza, but it may mean that I have a whole new bunch of people to look for!

I'll keep you posted on any further developments

Glen
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