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Posted: 17 Nov 2010 12:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Is anyone else frustrated by the lack of specific information available when a "hint" is referenced from the AGBI? I'm working very hard to keep my tree error-free (at least as far as is possible), and it's very frustrating when I find a distant ancestor about whom I have little or no information, but find an AGBI "reference" as a hint. Given the numerous errors I find in other hints, I am thinking of automatically "ignoring" hints from this source since there is no way to verify that it's actually concerning the ancestor in question.

Thoughts, anyone?

Re: Not much help

Posted: 29 Jan 2011 3:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
I think that as an index it was designed only to refer you to the actual resource. Once you find a "hit" you're supposed to track down that resource (usually a printed book) elsewhere -- ie., a library.

Re: Not much help

Posted: 29 Jan 2011 4:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
adding to my post -- If the resources are very old, they may be online for free.

If not, look them up in worldcat.org to find which libraries have them. If your library doesn't -- ask if they can borrow it for you through InterLibrary Loan. It can take a while, but it can be worth the wait for books that are "rare" in your area.

Re: Not much help

Posted: 29 Jan 2011 4:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Here's what ancestry.com has to say in their description of the Index:

About American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI)
One of the most important genealogical collections, the American Genealogical-Biographical Index, or AGBI, is the equivalent of more than 200 printed volumes. This database contains millions of records of people whose names have appeared in printed genealogical records and family histories. With data from sources largely from the last century, each entry contains the person's complete name, the year of the biography's publication, the person's state of birth (if known), abbreviated biographical data, and the book and page number of the original reference. In addition to family histories, other genealogical collections are indexed. These include the Boston Transcript (a genealogical column widely circulated), the complete 1790 U.S. Federal Census, and published Revolutionary War records. The most recent update to this database reflects the inclusion of volumes 196-206. For researchers of American ancestors, this can be one of the most valuable databases available at Ancestry.com.

Most of the works referenced in the AGBI are housed at the Godfrey Memorial Library in Connecticut. A photocopy service is available. Please contact Godfrey Memorial Library at 134 Newfield St, Middletown, CT 06457 or via e-mail at referenceinfo@godfrey.org to make use of this service.

To learn more about the AGBI, read the extended description below, but also read Kory Meyerink's article "Genealogy's Best-kept Secret: American Genealogical-Biographical Index."

Information about This Index:

For Biography—For use in biographical searches, this index presents few problems. It is an easy way to find information about the lives of many American men and women—information other sources do not always contain.

For Genealogy—Family historians will find this a tool unparalleled by any other. It should be one of the first tools used by genealogical researchers. This does not mean genealogists will always find the answer to every query; however, the researcher who fails to use the index may miss key information easily available. Nearly half of all references within the AGBI do not appear in any other place.

Information that Appears Nowhere Else—Ten percent of all published genealogies are not indexed anywhere else. This index includes Boston Transcript entries, with 2 million or more personal name references that appeared in the Boston Transcript during its forty-plus years of publication. Most of this material has never been published anywhere else.

Consolidation of Multiple Indexes—All of the twelve volumes of the First Census of the United States can be found here. This means the index offers a complete record, in one place, of all heads of families who lived in the United States in 1790. Also included are the forty-three volumes of records for Colonial soldiers who served in the Revolutionary War.

Names that Were Indexed—The index is of all persons according to set standards, rather than every name. The following persons have been included in the index: (1) person mentioned as wife, husband, father, mother, son, daughter, or other relative, of some person mentioned; (2) person mentioned as being born or married, or those mentioned dying; (3) person mentioned as having performed military or public service, or mentioned in connection with other facts of biographical importance; (4) person mentioned in a deed or legal document; (5) person mentioned as one of the founders of a settlement, a passenger on an immigrant ship (before 1850), a member of a church (before 1850), etc.

Name the Were Omitted—Omissions include: (1) persons (such as ship captains, ministers, army officers, etc.) mentioned only casually and not related to the family line being followed; (2) all casually mentioned names of well-known persons (e.g., George Washington or Benjamin Franklin); (3) witnesses, and similar incidental names, that appear in legal documents; (4) authors of works cited, or persons cited as authorities for statements.

Entry Construction—Each entry consists of the following: (1) Person's surname, spelled as it appears in the indexed text (Note that names are, in general, written and filed as one word, e.g., "Van Derbilt" and "Van Der Bilt" would be written as "Vanderbilt"; also, surnames with apostrophes have been indexed and alphabetized without the apostrophe, though it does appear in the actual name, e.g., "O'Connor" would be filed as "Oconnor."); (2) The person's first name (or initial) and middle names (or initials), if any (Note that if there is no given name, we have substituted a long dash in that area, and where an abbreviated name is given in the text, we have substituted the full name indicated if it is clear (e.g., for "Dan" we write "Daniel"); (3) The person's birth year, as it appears in the indexed text; (4) The person's state (or states) of residence (including the states of birth and death, if they are known); (5) Biographical data, abbreviated; (6) The page citation of the text being indexed; consisting of the abbreviated title and page number.

Abbreviations—State name abbreviations are uniformly two-letter. For well-known foreign countries, three-letter abbreviations are used (e.g., Can for Canada or Eng for England). For military service, the following abbreviations have been used (Note that if a man's rank is not stated, abbreviations "mil." or "nav." are used to indicate the branch of service): priv. - Private; lt. - Lieutenant; corp. - Corporal; serg. - Sergeant; comma. - Commander; capt. - Captain; maj. - Major; col. - Colonel; gen. - General; ens. - Ensign. If a child died young, or if a man or woman died unmarried or left no children, these facts are stated using these respective abbreviations: d.y. or d.inf., d.unm., or no ch.

Notes on the Compiling of an Index:

The efficient indexing of a genealogical work requires practical commonsense, as well as good editorial judgment. At times it also requires something approaching detective ability, for genealogies have been compiled by all sorts of people, most of whom have not had any previous experience in writing, and the material in some of them is devious and obscure to the last degree to everyone except the person who compiled it. If, in a given text, a genealogical descent is obscure or ambiguous, we decipher it and index the names cited according to the best conclusions we can arrive at without undue delay or abnormal cost. We are indexing, not unraveling obscurities.

Remember that the AGBI is an index to individuals appearing in family histories and other genealogical works, and researchers are encouraged to locate and examine the material from which the database was created. If not available from your local academic or research library, most of the works referenced in the AGBI are housed at the Godfrey Memorial Library in Connecticut. A photocopy service is available. Please contact Godfrey Memorial Library, 134 Newfield St, Middletown, CT 06457 or via e-mail at referenceinfo@godfrey.org.

Re: Not much help

Posted: 22 Oct 2011 11:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
So, based on your quote, this index has a COMPLETE list of heads of house for 1790! There are so many states without the 1790 census in existence because it was destroyed for one reason or another. So, that means that 1790 census is not destroyed?!

Have I confused the description? Does it list heads of house only and no other data? Why, if this exists, has it never been put online or included on Ancestry.com or any other web site?

Re: Not much help

Posted: 23 Oct 2011 6:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Oct 2011 10:51PM GMT
I think that when they say "the complete 1790 U.S. Federal Census" they mean "all of the 1790 census that currently exists."

Ancestry.com also says this re: the 1790 Census: "...we have about two-thirds of the original census from the time period. The 1790 census suffered district losses of Delaware, Georgia, Kentucky, New Jersey, and Virginia. However, some of the schedules for these states have been re-created using tax lists and other records. Virginia was eventually reconstructed from tax lists as well as some counties from North Carolina and Maryland."

Re: Not much help

Posted: 24 Oct 2011 3:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
But unfortunately not Delaware......even though they do have some tax lists in existence....no one has taken the time to put it together. There lists are pretty spotty, but worth the effort.

Virginia's however, are quite good.

Re: Not much help

Posted: 24 Oct 2011 4:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hmmmm...I don't think I have any ancestors from Delaware BUT I'll make a note of that. You never know...! :)

Re: Not much help

Posted: 24 Oct 2011 12:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 24 Oct 2011 1:49PM GMT
Chatterchit....

I've been doing my own research for many years now, and recently started doing for others (started 2 years ago). I've checked into certification, but thought it would be nice to 'penpal' with those who have been certified or in the same process. Any recommendations?

Re: Not much help

Posted: 25 Oct 2011 12:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
That's a good idea. I'm just an amateur (not certified) but I'm always open to discussing ideas, sources, research techniques, etc. I know next to nothing about certification, though.
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