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Murdoch family of Forkhill, Co. Armagh

Murdoch family of Forkhill, Co. Armagh

Posted: 3 May 2013 10:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Would like to make contact with descendants of the below family who in Dec. 1880, were living in Forkhill, Co. Armagh.
James Murdoch, name of whife unknown, but had children: Sarah, Agnus, Hannah, Mary & Joseph

Thank you,
Carolyn Murphy

Re: Murdoch family of Forkhill, Co. Armagh

Posted: 24 May 2013 3:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Carolyn,

I’m not a descendant, but located the civil birth indexes for two “Murdock” children in Fork Hill, County Armagh. These may pertain to the "Murdoch” family you referenced in your message to Ancestry.com.

The first index you’ll see below is for the birth of Joseph John Murdock, whose birth was recorded in Forkhill on 11 March 1864. His parents are listed as James Murdock and “Agness Steenson.” I believe the actual spelling of his mother’s name would be Agnes Stevenson, as that is how her name is spelled in the second birth index for her and James’s daughter, Mary Ellen Murdock. Mary Ellen’s birth was recorded in Forkhill on 23 December 1868.

Both indexes were found at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at:
https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records

The indexes are below:


Joseph John Murdock, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"

Name: Joseph John Murdock
Gender: Male
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1864
Birthplace: 0862,FORKILL,ARMAGH,IRELAND
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Murdock
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Agness Steenson
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C70122-6
System Origin: Ireland-ODM
Reference ID:

GS Film number: 101085 = Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955.

Collection: Joseph John Murdock, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5Y7-432

Citing this Record
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5Y7-432 : accessed 23 May 2013), Joseph John Murdock, 11 Mar 1864.
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Mary Ellen Murdock, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"

Name: Mary Ellen Murdock
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1868
Birthplace: Armagh, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: James Murdock
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Agness Stevenson
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01204-1
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
Reference ID: v 1-2 p 841

GS Film number: 101180= Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955.

Collection: Mary Ellen Murdock, "Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDY-TZZ

Citing this Record
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDY-TZZ : accessed 23 May 2013), Mary Ellen Murdock, 23 Dec 1868.
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Joseph John Murdock’s civil birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 101085. Mary Ellen Murdock’s birth record can be found in LDS microfilm number 101180. Both films can be ordered from your nearest Family History Center. If you don’t have a Family History Center nearby you can order the birth records from the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. For information about ordering records from the GRO, costs, and application forms, go to http://www.groireland.ie/

I also found a second source the birth indexes of Joseph John and Mary Ellen Murdock. This source is the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) for County Armagh. Like the LDS indexes, the birth indexes from the IFHF show the children’s births recorded in Fork Hill in 1864 and 1868 respectively, and both show the parents were James Murdock and Agnes Stevenson.

The indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Murdock Joseph John 1864 Parish: FORKHILL CIVIL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co.
Surname: Murdock
First Name: Joseph John
Father's Surname: Murdock
Father's First Name: James
Mother's Surname: Stevenson
Mother's First Name: Agnes

Year: 1864

Parish/District: FORKHILL CIVIL (CP)
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1 match for the search criteria: Murdock Mary Ellen 1868 Parish: FORKHILL CIVIL (CP)

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co.
Surname: Murdock
First Name: Mary Ellen
Father's Surname: Murdock
Father's First Name: James
Mother's Surname: Stevenson
Mother's First Name: Agnes

Year: 1868

Parish/District: FORKHILL CIVIL (CP)
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The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you’ll first have to register. Registration is free. You’ll also be able to access the birth indexes for Joseph John and Mary Ellen Murdock that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain transcriptions of the records from the IFHF. You’ll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78

One advantage of ordering records from the IFHF is that as soon as credit card information is processed, the record is sent to your computer, so that you don’t have to wait very long to view it.

You may decide to order the birth record transcriptions from the IFHF, but I also recommend that you also obtain the birth records on the LDS microfilms or from the GRO, as these will be copies of the original birth records, whereas the birth records from the IFHF are transcriptions of the originals, and subject to error.


CIVIL REGISTRATION

Civil Registration in Ireland began in the year 1845, when the government began to record Protestant marriages only. Civil Registration of births, marriages, and deaths for all religious denominations commenced in Ireland in 1864. This means there will not be civil birth records for children of James Murdock and Agnes Stevenson before 1864, though there may be baptism records for them. I didn’t however, uncover baptism indexes for any children of James Murdock and Agnes Stevenson.

Next, I looked for the civil marriage index for James Murdock and Agnes Stevenson. I found their marriage index at the LDS website. The index shows that the marriage of James and Agnes was recorded in Killeavey, Armagh, on 12 May 1854. The index shows that James’s father was Archibald Murdock and that Agnes’s father was James Stevenson.

Killeavey, also spelled Killevy, is the name of a Civil Parish in County Armagh.

The LDS marriage index follows:


James Murdock, "Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898"

Name: James Murdock
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:

Spouse's Name: Agnes Stevenson
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:

Event Date: 12 May 1854
Event Place: Killeavey, Arm, Ire
Father's Name: Archibald Murdock
Mother's Name:

Spouse's Father's Name: James Stevenson
Spouse's Mother's Name:

Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:

Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M70210-8
System Origin: Ireland-VR
Reference ID: 2:3DPWC9K

GS Film number: 101359 = Marriage records, 1845-1870, in the General Registry Office of Ireland.

Collection: James Murdock, "Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898"
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGX2-479

Citing this Record
"Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGX2-479 : accessed 23 May 2013), James Murdock and Agnes Stevenson, 12 May 1854.
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The marriage record for James and Agnes can be found on LDS microfilm number 101359, which you can order from the Family History Center, or from the GRO in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. The marriage record for James and Agnes should provide you with some or all of the following information: Age at marriage; address of James and Agnes at the time of marriage; James’s occupation; the names and occupations of James and Agnes’s fathers; church where the marriage took place, witnesses to the marriage, and the clergyman who performed the marriage ceremony.

I also found the church marriage index at the IFHF website for County Armagh. This index gives additional information showing that James and Agnes were married in the Drumbanagher Presbyterian Church in 1854. You’ll actually see two IFHF baptism indexes below, one for James Murdock, showing that his father was Archibald Murdock, and one for Agnes Stevenson, showing that her father was James Stevenson. Drumbanaher was located in the Civil Parish of Killevy.

The indexes follows:


1 match for the search criteria: Murdock (plus variants) James 1854 Parish: DRUMBANAGHER PR (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Armagh
Surname: Murdock
First Name: James
Spouse's Surname: Stevenson
Spouse's First Name: Agnes
Father's Surname: Murdock
Father's First Name: Archibald
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: DRUMBANAGHER PR (CP)


AND


1 match for the search criteria: Stevenson Agnes 1854 Parish: DRUMBANAGHER PR (CP)

Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Armagh
Surname: Stevenson
First Name: Agnes
Spouse's Surname: Murdock
Spouse's First Name: James
Father's Surname: Stevenson
Father's First Name: James
Mother's Surname:
Mother's First Name:

Year: 1854

Parish/District: Parish: DRUMBANAGHER PR (CP)
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I next wanted to see if I could find James and Archibald Murdock, as well as Agnes’s father James Stevenson in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation.

Griffiths Valuation, was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Civil Parish of Forkhill, County Armagh, was completed by the year 1864, which was the year that James and Agnes Murdock’s son Joseph John was born.

Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate family members. Those named in the valuation were the people who leased property. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an “Occupier.” The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the “Immediate Lessor.”

You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Griffiths Valuation would show if the Murdock and Stevenson families had lived in Forkhill, or perhaps in another nearby townland.

I located a James Murdock in Griffiths Valuation leasing property in the townland of Carrickastickan, Civil Parish of Forkhill. Please see a transcription of the entry below:


No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 74 A, 74 B, 75
Civil Parish: Forkill
Townland: Carrickastickan
Occupier: James Murdock
Immediate Lessor: Henry Alexander
Description of Tenement: House, offices, & land
Area of Land, First Parcel: 15 Acres, 3 Roods, 0 Perches
Area of Land, Second Parcel: 8 Acres, 0 Roods, 20 Perches
Area of Land, Third Parcel: 1 Acre, 3 Roods, 10 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land, First Parcel: 13 Pounds, 5 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land, Second Parcel: 6 Pounds, 15 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land, Third Parcel: 1 Pound, 10 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 4 Pounds, 10 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 26 Pounds
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Griffiths Valuation shows that James Murdock leased three individual parcels of land, a house and “offices” from an Immediate Lessor named Henry Alexander. The first parcel of land was over 15 acres, the second parcel over 8 acres and the third parcel a little over 1 acre. Each parcel of land had its own value or valuation attached to it. The first parcel was valued at 13 Pounds and 5 Shillings; the second parcel was valued at 6 Pounds and 15 Shillings; and the third parcel at 1 Pound and 10 Shillings. The house and offices were valued at 4 Pounds and 10 Shillings. The total valuation of the three parcels of land, the house, and the offices came to 26 Pounds. James would have had to pay a percentage of this value toward the taxes.

An “office” in a Griffiths Valuation record could be any type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, etc.

The map numbers at the top of the Griffiths Valuation entry refer to the location of James Murdock’s lease in Carrickastickan on an Ordnance Survey Map from the time period. You can access the map from the index for James Murdock at the Ask About Ireland.

I also found Archibald Murdock leasing property from Henry Alexander in Carrickastickan, at map numbers 12 and 13a. He leased two parcels of land as well as a house and offices from Henry Alexander. His property valuation total was 68 Pounds:


No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 12, 13a
Civil Parish: Forkill
Townland: Carrickastickan
Occupier: Archibald Murdock
Immediate Lessor: Henry Alexander
Description of Tenement: House, offices, & land
Area of Land, First Parcel: 27 Acres, 3 Roods, 20 Perches
Area of Land, Second Parcel: 72 Acres, 3 Roods, 10 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land, First Parcel: 20 Pounds
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land, Second Parcel: 40 Pounds
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 8 Pounds
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 68 Pounds
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I then found James and Archibald Alexander in Griffiths Valuation leasing property in the townland of Shean, Village of Forkhill. The entry for James lists him as the Immediate Lessor of an unoccupied property consisting of a house and small garden. The house was valued at 1 Pound and 5 Shillings. The garden appears to have been too small to be counted in the valuation:


No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 137 26
Civil Parish: Forkill
Townland: Shean
Village: Forkhill
Occupier: Unoccupied
Immediate Lessor: James Murdock
Description of Tenement: House and sm. garden
Area of Land: - Acres, - Roods, - Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: -
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 1 Pound, 5 Shillings
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 1 Pound, 5 Shillings
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James Murdock would not have paid a tax on this property, as properties valued under 5 Pounds were not subject to the tax.

Next is the Griffiths Valuation entry for Archibald Murdock who leased a garden under 1 acre in size from Henry Alexander in Forkhill. The garden was valued at 10 Shillings:


No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 137, 4a
Civil Parish: Forkill
Townland: Shean
Village: Forkhill
Occupier: Archibald Murdock
Immediate Lessor: Henry Alexander
Description of Tenement: Garden
Area of Land: 0 Acres, 10 Roods, 0 Perches
Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 10 Shillings
Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: -
Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 10 Shillings
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I didn’t find any Stevensons in Griffiths valuation in the Forkhill Civil Parish.

To view a Google Map of Forkhill go to: http://tinyurl.com/phm4vn6

On the map you’ll see the letter A pointing to Forkhill. Go down the map from the letter A and you’ll come to the “Carrickasticken” Road. The townland Carrickastickan/Carrickasticken would have been located, I believe, somewhere along this road. If you left-click on the letter A you’ll be able to access a “Street-view” of Forkhill and will be able to travel along the streets of the town.

Best Wishes Carolyn,

Dave Boylan

Re: Murdoch family of Forkhill, Co. Armagh

Posted: 6 Jun 2013 9:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for all the info you provided!

Re: Murdoch family of Forkhill, Co. Armagh

Posted: 7 Jun 2013 1:48AM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome,

Dave
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