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Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 4:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: STANLAKE
The person I am researching - Phillip Edward John STANLAKE -appears in the 1924 Electoral Roll for Carlton in Victoria, Australia.
QUESTION
Does anyone know the latest date and/ or the earliest date he could have enrolled to appear in this list?

This person (grandfather) is a 'mystery man' in my wife's family and this information will help narrow down the timing of his first appearance in any record we've been able to find so far.

Tks
David Hobby

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 9:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
where and what have you done to search for Phillip?

Leanne

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 12:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Leanne,
I need a bit of a miracle here. We have found no records of Phillip Edward Stanlake before this electoral roll entry of 1924.
He claimed to be a 'solicitor' in this enrolment information but he never worked as a solicitor that we know of (in Australia at least). I am hoping to narrow down the timing of his appearance in Australia (using this name) and see if there is any correspondance with the relevant legal office in Melbourne, i.e. assuming that he was trying to get himself registered as a solicitor.
Regarding his name - it is almost certain that he assumed this name for a new life in Australia. We know what he did from his marriage in Adelaide in 1925 until his death in Western Australia in 1963.
Some things we believe about his early life include: -
1)Born about 1879 in England
2)Served in the Boer War and WW1 in an English regiment
3)Did not have any relatives who contacted him from 1925 onwards
He was well spoken, quite educated and a 'military' man. He never returned to England; he made up details about his early life that changed (e.g. details in his WW2 records of service in the Australian army are inconsistant, his marriage certificate record is different again).

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 6:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
What other name do you suspect Phillip to have had?

Leanne

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 8:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
He included the name "Wentworth" in each of his children's names. We know this is not from their mother but, so far, we've not been able to link him to any Wentworth.
NoteS:
There was a Phillip STANLAKE from Cornwall way - not him.
There was a 'P E Stanlake' in the New Zealand army (WW1) - not him.
There was a John Edward Stanlake WOLLINGTON - not him.
POSSIBLE LINKS
1) There may have been a link to Frederick STANLAKE (m. Emily Prudhoe) who died in action in WW1 but this is some way from being proved.
2) May be a link to Eliza Mountain who married Thomas STANLAKE in London area; she had a son John (not PES) who was probably illegitimate (she claimed to be a widow "Eliza Kirk at her wedding). I wonder if she had another son prior to marrying Thomas - no evidence yet except anecdotal from descendents of Eliza and Thomas.

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 11 Mar 2013 10:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Mar 2013 12:08AM GMT

Is there a connection between Phillip Stanlake and Claude Stanlake, both married SA, died WA?

Marriage South Australia
1925 304/711 STANLAKE Phillip Edward John
LOVELL Minnie Florence Adelaide

1918 277/488 STANLAKE Claude Alexander
MURPHY Madge Adelaide

1850 10/29 HACK William
STANLAKE Grace Adelaide


Karrakatta Cemetery WA
STANLAKE Claude Alexander d. 19 Aug 1960 77yrs Mt Lawley ashes scattered

STANLAKE Madge d. 26 Mar 1955 66yrs Mt Lawley
Roman Catholic section AA grave 0376D

STANLAKE Phillip Edward John d. 3 Jul 1962 Claremomt
Anglican section ZT grave 0230

STANLAKE Minnie Florence d. 10 Jan 1978 Claremont
Anglican section ZT grave 0230


Also WA
STENLAKE James 62yrs
parents UNKNOWN/UNKNOWN
place of birth CORNWALL ENG
reg number 712 year 1899

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 12 Mar 2013 2:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
? what about business or employment registrations. I thought
I had seen a while back some of this at the NSW state
archives? available in other states.
If you have a know death location, can the cemetery or
funeral home assist with more info as this is yr mother's
fathers?
-seems like you have searched street/city directories.
-what about war pensions, wills and probates/estates?
-amy question as to having other children - to look into?
Good luck!
GJ

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 12 Mar 2013 10:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 Mar 2013 10:25PM GMT

Phillip Edward John STANLAKE lived in the district of WENTWORTH, NEW SOUTH WALES, perhaps that is where the children's WENTWORTH name originated.
Have you checked U.K National Archives for his BOER WAR & WW1 service records.



Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Phillip Edward Stanlake
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1930
State: New South Wales
District: Wentworth
Subdistrict: Bondi North




Sydney and New South Wales, Sands Street Index, 1861-1930
Name: Phillip Stanlake
Year: 1930
Street Number: 92
Street Name: Matilda Street
City: Waverley
Page: 935


Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 12 Mar 2013 10:44PM GMT
Classification: Query

Claude Alexander STANLAKE appears to have been a son of Charles STANLAKE & Amelia PURDY.

MARRIAGE
Groom: STANLAKE
Given names: Claude Alexander
Bride: MURPHY
Given names: Madge
Date: 1918-11-20
Groom Age: 36
Status: S
Groom's Father: Charles STANLAKE
Bride Age: 28
Status: S
Bride's Father: Andrew MURPHY
Place: St Francis Xavier Cathedral Adelaide
District: Ade
Symbol:
Book/Page: 277/488
Cross Reference:

MARRIAGE
Surname: STANLAKE
Given Names: Charles
Spouse Surname/Father: PURDY
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Amelia Treadwin
Birth Place: FOOTSCRAY
Year: 1876
Reg Number: 862

STANLAKE, Edith Mary CB 1946895 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Purdy Amelia
Event Place: Footscray
Reg Year: 1876 Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 23137

STANLAKE, Eveline Amelia CB 1946904 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Pardy Amelia Fred
Event Place: Carlton
Reg Year: 1878 Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 1104

STANLAKE, Charles Henry CB 1946891 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Amelia
Reg Year: 1880 Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 15782

STANLAKE, Albert Alexander CB 1946885 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Amelia
Reg Year: 1881 Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 16649

STANLAKE, Claude Alexander CB 1946894 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Amelia
Reg Year: 1882 Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 17345

STANLAKE, Hilda Jane CB 1946909 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Amelia
Reg Year: 1884 Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 20529

STANLAKE, Horace A CB 1946910 Birth
Father: Charles
Mother: Amelia
Reg Year: 1886 Reg State: New South Wales
Ref Number: 21902

Re: Timing of Electoral Roll - Australia

Posted: 13 Mar 2013 4:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your interest in this.

I have checked the nominal rolls for the Boer War - no Stanlakes at all.
With regard to WW1 he claimed to have been in the West Yorkshire Regiment - I have contacted them and they confirm that they have no record of his service (under the name Stanlake).
The first couple of children were born before he shifted to the Wentworth area in NSW and so we don't believe this was a factor in his using the name.

Rgds
David
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