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Looking for Descendents of Nancy Gorman Farrar, St. Louis

Posted: 2 Jul 2013 3:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Grman Farrar
Nancy was the daughter of Joseph E. and Julia Desmond Scully Gorman. Julia was a sister of my maternal gg grandfather John Desmond Scully and has, until research by yours truly and a cousin, remained a mystery. Hopefully, someone reading this will reply.

What we know is Julia's first marriage was to John Crangle who died accidentally in 1850. Prior to 1858, Julia remarried Joseph Gorman and their two children, Nancy and Joseph, were born in Pittsburgh. Prior to 1870 the Gormans moved to St. Louis.

While no research to date has been done on Joseph, Nancy married Charles T. Farrar and had children Benedict, Joseph, and Jerome.

There was one child from Julia's first marriage, daughter Julia Crangle born in 1845. The last documentation of her is the 1860 census when she's living with her Grandmother Scully in Pittsburgh. After, she disappears from the records.

Perhaps - and this is a long shot - a Gorman descendent will have the answer.

Anyone can e-mail me direct at billluvsbeer@yahoo.com

Re: Looking for Descendents of Nancy Gorman Farrar, St. Louis

Posted: 25 Jul 2013 12:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
I’m not related to any member of this family.

1940 is the last available census at this time.


Facts you should know about the early census records –

All census records [1790 – 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female.

NO specific age was stated for any family member
NO place of birth was stated – city, state, or country
NO city, town, or village is stated – only the county; however some census takers listed the township
NO street address was stated
NO marital status was stated – single, married, widowed, or divorced
NO family relationship was stated – brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc…
NO occupation was stated
NO parental birthplaces are stated
NO race was stated [but assume “white”]

1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships, marital status or parental birthplaces.

Step children are not enumerated as “step” children
Adopted children are not enumerated as “adopted”
Grand children are not enumerated as “grand children”
Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan"
Immigration date is not recorded

1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members

1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces and family relationships +++



By 1870 Julia should be married. That's why U can't find her. WHICH Julia??

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1860 -
Name: Joseph Gorman
Age in 1860: 38
Birth Year: abt 1822
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: St Louis Ward 6, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Gender: Male
Post Office: St Louis

Jos Throckmorton 60
Mary Jane Throckmorton 40
Wm Throckmorton 18
Catherine Throckmorton 15
Faney Throckmorton 13
Teresa Throckmorton 11
Teresa Gorman 80, IRE
Joseph Gorman 38, PA >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ruaha Petersen 18
Josephine Throckmorton 3

1870 -
Name: Julia D Gorman
Age in 1870: 48
Birth Year: abt 1822
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1870: St Louis Ward 7, St Louis, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Saint Louis

Joseph E Gorman 58, PA
Julia D Gorman 48, PA
Nannie Gorman 12, PA
Joseph E Gorman 8, PA
Mary Gorman 23, IRE - domestic servant
Catherine Gorman 13, PA

1880 -
Name: Julia D. Gorman
Age: 56
Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1880: Saint Louis, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph E. Gorman
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Occupation: Keeps House

Joseph E. Gorman 64, PA
Julia D. Gorman 56, PA
Joseph E. Gorman 18, PA
Nannie Gorman 21, PA

Next available census is 1900; 20 yrs. later.

1900 -
Name: Julia Gorman
Age: 76
Birth Date: May 1824
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1900: Tunkhannock, Wyoming, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph Gorman
Marriage Year: 1853
Years Married: 47
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 4
Occupation:

Joseph Gorman 80, 11/19 PA
Julia Gorman 76, 5/24 PA

Cem record -
Julia Gorman
Birth: May, 1824 Pennsylvania
Death: May 22, 1902 Brookside (Wyoming County)
Wyoming County
Pennsylvania

77-10-27; Wife of Joseph Gorman


Burial:
Dixon Cemetery
Tunkhannock
Wyoming County
Pennsylvania

cem. record -
James B Gorman
Birth: 1856
Death: 1902

Son of Joseph A & Julia (Dixon)


Burial:
Dixon Cemetery
Tunkhannock
Wyoming County
Pennsylvania

some PA cem. records - where CALVARY = Cem. name and the date are the burial dates

CALVARY FARRAR CHARLES THRUSTON M Aug 09 1947 90
CALVARY FARRAR NANCY G F Jan 11 1942 85
CALVARY GORMAN HENRY E M Mar 17 1866 58
CALVARY GORMAN JOSEPH E M May 28 1893 83
CALVARY GORMAN JOSEPH EDWARD M Nov 09 1943 81 234152 CALVARY GORMAN JULIA D F Jan 07 1893 72
CALVARY GORMAN JULIA C F May 31 1941 69
CALVARY GORMAN THERESA F Oct 08 1862 82
CALVARY THROCKMORTON CATHERINE F Jun 23 1917 72
CALVARY THROCKMORTON FANNY B F Jan 10 1928 81
CALVARY THROCKMORTON MARY J F Feb 18 1879 614
CALVARY THROCKMORTON MARY T F Apr 06 1928 78
CALVARY THROCKMORTON JOSEPH M Nov 25 1872 72
CALVARY GORMAN FRANCIS M Jul 23 1993 80
CALVARY GORMAN MARIE V F Apr 12 1996 85

Cem record -
Charles Thruston Farrar
Birth: Aug. 6, 1857
Death: Aug., 1947

Note: Age 90

Burial:
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum
Saint Louis
St. Louis City
Missouri, USA
Plot: 2,, 64

1900 -

Name:
Chas L Farrar
[Charles T Farrar]
[Chas L Farra]
Age: 42
Birth Date: Aug 1857
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1900: St Louis Ward 28, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Nancy G Farrar
Marriage Year: 1885
Years Married: 15
Father's Birthplace: Missouri
Mother's Birthplace: Missouri
Occupation:

Chas L Farrar 42, 8/57 MO - real estate
Nancy G Farrar 42, 11/57 PA
Benedict Farrar 14, 8/85 MO
Jos Thurston Farrar 11, 3/89 MO
Jerome Farrar 5, 5/95 MO

living next to them -
1900 -
Name: Jos E Gorman
Age: 38
Birth Date: Jan 1862
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1900: St Louis Ward 28, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Julia C Gorman
Marriage Year: 1895
Years Married: 5
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Occupation:

Jos E Gorman 38, 1/62 PA - clerk @ real estate office
Julia C Gorman 27, 5/73 MO
Edmund F Gorman 2, 9/97 MO

1910 -
Name: Joseph E Gorman
[Joseph E Groman]
Age in 1910: 41
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: St Louis Ward 25, Saint Louis City, Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Julia C Gorman E
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania

Joseph E Gorman 41, PA
Julia C Gorman E 37, MO - claims 1 child
Edmund F Gorman E 12, MO

1920 -
Name: Julia Gorman
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Missouri
Home in 1920: St Louis Ward 28, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Joseph S Gorman
Father's Birthplace: Missouri
Mother's Birthplace: Missouri
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

Joseph S Gorman 55, PA - president & sec't of Trust Co.
Julia Gorman 46, MO
Edmund F Gorman 22, MO - salesman @ trust co.
Frances C Gorman 7, MO

1930 -
Name: Joseph E Gorman
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Race: White
Home in 1930: St Louis, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Julia C Gorman
Father's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Occupation: bond salesman
Age at first marriage: 34
Parents' birthplace: PA/PA

Joseph E Gorman 65, PA
Julia C Gorman 58, MO - Age at first marriage: 27
Parents' birthplace: MO/MO
Francis C Gorman 17, MO

1940 -
Name: Joseph E Gorman
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri
Street: Lake Avenue
House Number: 425
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: St Louis, St Louis City, Missouri
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Sheet Number: 3B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 79
Occupation: Salesman
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 40
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: College, 4th year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 42
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes

Joseph E Gorman 71, A
Julia C Gorman 67, MO
Frances C Gorman 27, MO


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Re: Looking for Descendents of Nancy Gorman Farrar, St. Louis

Posted: 25 Jul 2013 2:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for your effort in providing this extensive information.
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