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Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 5:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Adams, Gillespie, Quinn, Moon
I am having difficulty locating information on my Grandmother. I would appreciate all the help I can get with this.

From what I have mangaged to gather, she was known by several versions of her name on several documents.

Mary Francis Adams nee Quinn, House Duties (b. 20 Feb 1894 (1897) d. 13 Jan 1970) Still unsure!.
Husband - William Henry Adams, Hairdresser (1894 – 1971)(Married in 1915)
Children - Geoffery George Adams (1918 – 2004) & Theodore Francis Adams (1923 – 1998)
Mother - Alice Margaret Gillespie (d.January 1939, Nhill)
Father - ? Quinn

On some documents she is referred to as either Francis Adams, Mary Moon, Mary Adams, Mary Francis Adams, Mary Francis Quinn, Mary Francis Gillespie.

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 9:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
The best way to get the right information is by getting your parents marriage certificate. That will give you their parents names. Then work back from there - the birth certificate of your mother/father will give you the name their parents.

I could only find one birth for Mary Quinn in 1894 (father unknown) and mother Alice Maud Quinn born in West Melb regn number 5421. There was none in 1897.

what documents do you have?

regards
Michelle

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 11:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Nov 2012 11:38AM GMT
Hi

Records from the cds have fairly straightforward details. Frances was born a GILLESPIE and married as a GILLESPIE.

Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901
Frances GILLESPIE
Born 1897 TERANG
Father: Unknown
Mother: Alice GILLESPIE
Reg. Number: 14963

Great War Index. Victoria 1914-1920
Wm ADAMS Married 1917 to Frances GILLESPIE
Reg. Number: 7706

Great War Index. Victoria 1914-1920
Geoffrey George ADAMS
Born 1918 at Kaniva
Father: Wm Henry
Mother: Frances GILLESPIE
Reg. Number: 28529

Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985
Frances Mary ADAMS
Father: Gillespie Unkn
Mother: Alice UNKNOWN
Death Place: FITZ
Age: 72
Year: 1970
Reg Number: 3798

Details on death records are less reliable since the informants may not have known anything about the parents of Frances and assumed her father was a GILLESPIE.

Rhonda

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 9:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for the information Rhonda.

From what I have gathered from the family 'secrets' is that Mary was actually an 'unplanned' pregnancy for a young Alice. Thus the father being unknown and some confusion with the names etc.

Looks like I will have to make a trip down to Melbourne to speak to some of my older relatives and do some more research.

** Which cds are you referring to???

Kind Regards

Lisa

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 9:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
This death you have
Mother - Alice Margaret Gillespie (d.January 1939, Nhill)
is for
Name: Alice Margt Quinn
Death Place: Nhill, Victoria
Age: 66
Father's Name: Jas Quinn
Mother's Name: Margt Slane
Registration Year: 1939
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 13299
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873

Possible birth for Alice above
Name: Alice Quinn
Father's Name: James Quinn
Mother's Name: Margt Sloan
Birth Place: Creswick, Victoria
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 1843

I don't think it is the correct mother.

Kellie

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 9:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Kellie.

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 10:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Nov 2012 10:39PM GMT
Hi Lisa

VIC bmds are on cds.

This may be a possible link?

James QUINN and Margaret SLOAN (SLONE) married in 1870.
Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
James QUINN
Birth Place: LIMERICK
Event: M
Spouse Surname: SLONE
Spouse Gvn Names: Margaret
Year: 1870
Reg Number: 3957
REVERSE MARRIAGE RECORD
Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Margaret SLONE
Birth Place: TIPPERARY
Event: M
Spouse: QUINN
Spouse Gvn Names: James
Year: 1870
Reg Number: 3957

James QUINN died in 1871
Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
James QUINN
Birth Place: IREL
Event: D
Father: Unknown
Mother:
Age: 30
Year: 1871
Reg Number: 7816

Then Margaret QUINN remarried in 1874
Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Margaret QUINN
Birth Place: TIPPERARY
Event: M
Spouse Surname: GILLESPIE
Spouse Gvn Names: John
Year: 1874
Reg Number: 430

John GILLESPIE and Margaret SLOANE later had children born at Terang (where Frances was born).

Now, if Alice QUINN was born in 1873 then she could not have been James QUINN's daughter and she would not have been a really young unmarried mother of Frances GILLISPIE. But it does all figure in the confusion of surnames as a baby Alice QUINN became known as Alice GILLESPIE after her mother Margaret remarried.

Rhonda



Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 22 Nov 2012 11:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
Oh My Goodness! This is all making sooooo much sense now. I knew I should've listened more to my folks in my youth. How can I get a copy of these cds?

You are a gem Rhonda - thank you sooooo much

Kind Regards

Lisa

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 23 Nov 2012 12:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Nov 2012 1:05AM GMT
Hi Lisa

A google search for Macbeth Genealogical Services will give info on the cds. However, they are very expensive.

I found Alice QUINN had an elder sister named Catherine born at Creswick in 1871.

Regarding the death record I posted of a James QUINN in 1871, he may not have been the husband of Margaret nee SLOAN as all I could find was a man hanged for murder in 1871 at Beechworth.

This is another death in the same era. The birth record for Catherine had the surname as QUIN.
Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
James QUIN
Event: D
Father: Maurice
Mother: Catherine SHEHAN
Age: 33
Birth Place: TIPP
Death Place:
Year: 1872
Reg Number: 4129


Rhonda

Re: Help - Grandmother was known by several names

Posted: 23 Nov 2012 1:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
Lisa, another piece of the puzzle with the third marriage of Margaret nee SLOAN?

Edwardian Index. Victoria 1902-1913
Margt GILLESPIE
Event: M
Spouse Surname: MOON
Spouse Gvn Names: Chas Edwd
Birth Place:
Death Place:
Year: 1913
Reg. Number: 1291

Rhonda
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