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Drummond Family in South Australia

Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 2:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Can anyone help me? I'm trying to research my grandfather's family. His name is Jesse Clement Drummond and he passed away in his 40's, January 12, 1965 from a heart attack.

He had 7 children with my Nanna and raised them in Osbourne, South Australia

My Mother tells me that he had a Brother named Les and a sister Hazel who possibly married a man by the name of Jack and I'm told they adopted a Daughter named Christine.

My Grand Father was also adopted apparently. One sister gave birth to him and another sister raised him.

This is all second hand information so I'm not sure how accurate. Any leads or new information would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 3:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Dec 2012 3:38AM GMT
Hi,
He was born in South Australia but must have been older than you think
1916 982/497 DRUMMOND Jesse Clement (mother) Myrtle May ALLEN at Angaston

You said he was born to one sister and raised by another sister...here is a birth for a Hazel and Leslie DRUMMOND with mother surname ALLEN.

1913 912/218 DRUMMOND Hazel Iriene (father)George Charles DRUMMOND (mother)Hannah Eliza ALLEN
1919 40A/74 DRUMMOND Leslie Ernest (father)George Charles DRUMMOND (mother) Hannah Eliza ALLEN

Birth of ALLEN sisters
1877 193/472 ALLEN Hannah Eliza (f)Thomas David ALLEN (m)Charlotte BERISFORD
1890 456/79 ALLEN Myrtle May (f)Thomas David ALLEN (m)Charlotte BERRISFORD

You can search yourself at SA BDM
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.htm...

Kellie

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 5:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
You can apply to obtain the following information from National Archives Australia:


DRUMMOND JESSE CLEMENT
Service Number - S20216
Date of birth - 25 Jun 1914
Place of birth - TANUNDA SA
Place of enlistment - SOUTHWARK SA
Next of Kin - DRUMMOND Ruby

Leanne

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 6:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandfather was born in 1916 and died in January 1965 at age 48. Thanks heaps for your information. It has given me a solid foundation to work from.

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 6:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

Quite a few mentions of Jesse Clement DRUMMOND on TROVE, Historical Online Newspapers.

Leanne

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 9:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Dec 2012 10:00AM GMT
His mother Myrtle May ALLEN married in 1924 to Konrad ELIES (b. 1889 SA, d. 1964 SA). She died in 1962.

Note Jesse's birth was also registered as ALLEN (it may have been re-registered as DRUMMOND as part of the adoption process).

1916 982/497
ALLEN Jesse Clement Pettmann
[mother] Myrtle May ALLEN
Angaston

I wonder if 'Pettmann' is a clue as to the identity of his father???

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 10:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you! My Nanna always told me his biological Father's last name "Peppment" and he was a Police Officer. For the life of me I could never find anyone with the last name Peppment. Either she wasn't pronouncing it properly or I wasn't listening properly! This is great, thanks again.

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 7:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hiyas,
District Constables of SA(probably too early for your guy but might be a lead)

Surname: PETTMAN
Given name(s): Theodore
District: Hall
Source(s): GG 1892 Vol 2 p 582

Surname: PETTMAN
Given name(s): W H
District: Hall
Source(s): GG 1889 Vol 2 p 854

Surname: PETTMAN
Given name(s): William
District: West Torrens
Source(s): PG 1870 p 130, GG 1870 p 1036

wonder?
Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): Edward
District: Marion
Source(s): GG 1894 Vol 2 p 841

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): Ernest James
District: Highercombe
Source(s): GG 1914 Vol 2 p 525

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): G
District: Highercombe
Source(s): GG 1881 Vol 2 p 420

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): Joseph
District: Tea Tree Gully
Source(s): GG 1888 Vol 2 p 441

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): S
District: Highercombe
Source(s): GG 1882 Vol 2 p 3536

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): Samuel
District: Highercombe
Source(s): GG 1871 p 1298

Surname: PITMAN
Given name(s): Walter
District: Highercombe
Source(s): GG 1896 Vol 2 p 634

Kellie

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 8 Dec 2012 6:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Dec 2012 6:17AM GMT
Hi

This record may be a connection to the father of Jesse Clement DRUMMOND?

Clement Harrold PETTMAN born 8 Dec 1889
Parents were William Henry PETTMAN & Emily Crafer LANE
Birth Place/Residence: Halbury (near Balaklava)
District of Gilbert
Book: 449/Page: 37

Harold Clement PETTMAN enlisted in WW1 in Feb 1916, and the birthplace given may be an error as Houghton is nowhere near Halbury/Balaklava where he and his siblings were born.

Harold C PETTMAN married in London during the war.
Marriages Sep Q 1918
Pettman Harold C (Rose) Pancras 1b 164
Rose Lily G (Pettman) Pancras 1b 164

Clement Harold PETTMAN died 22 Nov 1965 aged 75y
Status: M
Relative:
Residence & Death Place: Tusmore
District Code: Nor
Book: 1A/Page: 7989

This man (in the list of District Constables posted by Kellie) was the father of Clement Harold PETTMAN.
Surname: PETTMAN
Given name(s): W H
District: Hall
Source(s): GG 1889 Vol 2 p 854

Halbury was within the District of Hall at that time.

Rhonda

Re: Drummond Family in South Australia

Posted: 8 Dec 2012 7:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Dec 2012 7:13AM GMT
Great finds!

Especially the Clement Pettman(n) link. This seems like a VERY strong likelihood; he was born only a year prior to Myrtle. It is possible he did not even know Myrtle was pregnant when he enlisted/embarked (or maybe he did and that was his escape plan!)

Since he married in England, he may not have known about the baby (or he was upset that she had given the baby away to her sister). It would have been very difficult for her to manage financially alone though, especially with the stigma of being an unwed mother back in those days. He didn't return from the war until 1919, by which time his son was a toddler! Though his occupation is shown as a share farmer, if his dad was a police officer it may have become distorted thru hearsay. Or he may have become one upon his return to Australia...
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