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Wilhelm Simon, Will Simon, and Hattie Simon in Montgomery

Wilhelm Simon, Will Simon, and Hattie Simon in Montgomery

Posted: 14 Aug 2012 1:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Simon Marion
Looking for information on my great grandfather, Will Simon, b1875 in Montgomery, d1932 in Montgomery, his wife Hattie (Boston) Simon, b1885 in ???, d1944 in Montgomery, and his father, my GG grandfather, Wilhelm Simon born in Bavaria, Germany, but living in Montgomery, AL in 1875 - don't know his birth or death years. Here is what I know about them thus far.

Hattie (Boston) Simon
Hattie apparently was adopted at a very early age, maybe 2 or 3 at which time she moved to Montgomery, and she never really knew her real last name. She selected Boston as a last name for herself simply because she thought it was a cool name. The family oral history says that there was a fire at her home when she was really young where both parents died in the fire, but the 3? kids survived and were each taken in by a different family. There is family speculation that she was originally from either Boston or New York, but all of my research seems to indicate that it's just as likely that she was originally from Alabama and did not move that far after whatever event split up the family. We also believe that one of her brothers was Charles Marion b1879 in AL??, d1965 in Chicago which would suggest that Hattie's maiden name was likely Marion. There are
also some documents that show her brother Charles Marion as a JR, which would suggest that their father was named Charles Marion as well. Charles Marion, Hattie's brother, however did have a Charles Marion Jr son as well, so it's not clear if the Jr was just mislabeled when it was applied to Hattie's brother. Supposedly, there is also an older brother John Marion who apparently worked at a watch company in NY city and the watch company sent his belongings to Hattie when he died abt1937 in New York. Hattie was very fair skinned and would have likely been classified as a mulatto, but possibly might have been listed as white as well. All of the Simon children were either very fair skinned or reddish skinned and while Hattie's Simon's kids all identified as African American, many of them could have passed for white. What's the best way for me to try to get more information on Hattie Simon given her adopted status? My guess is as well if indeed it was different families taking different kids after a fire, there may or may not have been any legal papers associated with it.

Wilhelm Simon and Will Simon
Wilhelm Simon was a German Jew from Bavaria living in Montgomery and he was Will Simon's father. I don't know a birth year or death year for Wilhelm. Supposedly he owned the Alagar syrup company in Montgomery, but I can't find any connection between Wilhelm and the Alagar syrup company. Oral family history says that he owned slaves and fathered Will Simon with a 17 year old slave girl, Sephrona Jenkins, b1858 in Montgomery, d1875 in Montgomery who died giving
birth to Will. The oral history says that while Wilhelm's family did not accept Will Simon, Wilhelm always took care of Will Simon and gave him separate better quarters than the other blacks and that he taught him culinary skills which later allowed Will to open his own food stand/cafe and make a living. Sephrona Jenkins mother was Lydia (Bailey) Jenkins b, 1843 in Edisto Island, Charleston, SC, d ?? and it looks like Will lived with her for a short period, but later had separate living arrangements.

I would love to learn more about Hattie, Will, or Wilhelm Simon and would welcome any thoughts.

Re: Wilhelm Simon, Will Simon, and Hattie Simon in Montgomery

Posted: 22 Aug 2012 4:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Aug 2012 5:25PM GMT
Will Simons Father Could Be Jacob Simon Buried At Oakwood Cemetery In Montgomery,Its Possible that his middle name was Wilhelm.this jacob simon was in new orleans age 18 and born about 1842 in bavaria and living with the joseph simon family,which joseph simon could be an older brother or uncle because joseph has a 1 year old son named jocob.jacob simon is in montgomery county by 1870 and married and a dry goods merchant and by 1880 in montgomery county is a cottin buyer.jacob simon is the only white simon in montgomery county between 1870 and 1880 besides his wife and kids,so im thinking that wilhelm simon is jacob wilhelm simon.jacob simons gravestone does not have a middle initial or name listed.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=si...;


Alabama, Deaths and Burials Index, 1881-1974
Name: Hattie Boston Simon
Death Date: 1944
Death Place: Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama
Gender: Female
Mother Name: Fannie Johnson
FHL Film Number: 1908787
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Grandparents of Will Simon

1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Edward Jenkins
Age in 1870: 40
Birth Year: abt 1830
Birthplace: South Carolina
Home in 1870: Montgomery Ward 1, Montgomery, Alabama
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Post Office: Montgomery
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Jenkins 40 ***********
Lydia Jenkins 28 ***********
Frank Jenkins 17
Ellen Jenkins 15
Harrison Jenkins 13
Sephrona Jenkins 12 ************
Abraham Jenkins 8
James Jenkins 6
Laura Jenkins 4/12



1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Willie Simon
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Alabama
Home in 1880: Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama
Race: Mulatto
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Grandson *********
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Bavaria *****************
Mother's Birthplace: South Carolina ***************
Household Members: Name Age
Lydia Jenkins Head of Household 39 South Carolina
Ellen Spencer Daughter 21 South Carolina
Lydia Spencer Granddaughter 6 Alabama
Willie Spencer Grandson 9 Alabama
Esther Murray Granddaughter 2 Alabama
Laura Jenkins Daughter 11 Alabama
Abram Jenkins Son 19 Alabama
Willie Simon Grandson 4 Alabama*****************



Aunt Of Will Simon

Name: Ellen Spencer
[Ellen Jenkins]
Age: 40
Birth Date: Oct 1859
Birthplace: South Carolina
Home in 1900: Montgomery Ward 2, Montgomery, Alabama
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: South Carolina
Mother's Name: Lucy Jenkins ********************Lydia/lucy
Mother's Birthplace: South Carolina
Mother: number of living children: 7
Mother: How many children: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Spencer 40 ***************
William Spencer 27
Mary Spencer 18
Charles Spencer 20
Esther Spencer 21
Heneretta Spencer 12
John W Spencer 11
Willeana Spencer 7
Abraham Jenkins 38
Lucy Jenkins 75 *************
Simpken Jenkins 9


Montgomery, Alabama Directories, 1880-95
Name: Wm Simon
Location 2: r rear 411 S Court (Residence)
Business Name: Exchange Hotel
Occupation: waiter
Year: 1893
City: Montgomery
State: AL


Grandmother Of Will Simon

Alabama, Deaths and Burials Index, 1881-1974
Name: Lydia Jenkins
Birth Date: abt 1849
Birth Place: Charleston, S.C.
Death Date: 1 Apr 1912
Death Place: Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama
Cemetery Name: Oakwood
Death Age: 63
Occupation: Domestic
Race: Black
Marital Status: Widowed
Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1894092

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Re: Wilhelm Simon, Will Simon, and Hattie Simon in Montgomery

Posted: 22 Aug 2012 5:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Simon
William Craig,

Thank you very much for the reply. I have wondered the same if Wilhelm was a middle name and just started looking for other Simons from Bavaria in Montgomery during this time, so your post is very helpful. Thank you again.
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