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Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 3:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: LUDWIG
My ancestor, Franz Joseph Ludwig, was born in Austrian or Prussian Silesia in a town called Wanowitz, which is today in Poland and is spelled Wojnowice. When he got to America he was a Moravian. Is it likely that he was from a Moravian family in Wanowitz or perhaps born Catholic?

I can only find Catholic Church records to order for that period on Family Search.

At a loss,

Neil

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 10:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Google Moravian Church Records.

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 5:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for the idea. But all references are only in America, not the country of his origin.

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 8:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Dec 2011 8:35PM GMT
as Wanowitz, Upper-Silesia now is polish you have to research in Poland.
Wanowitz in polish now Wojnowice (for a time in german was Hubertusruh).
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&q=Wojnowice+G%C5%82ubcz...
http://gov.genealogy.net/item/show/object_187943
http://www.verwaltungsgeschichte.de/leobschuetz.html

i found an info, that documents older then 100 years are kept since 01.10.1874 in the state-archive Opole(german Oppeln).
"....Die Standesamtsregister von Leobschütz werden, soweit sie älter als 100 Jahre sind, ab 01.10.1874 im Staatsarchiv Oppeln ausbewahrt."
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Staatsarchiv_Oppeln
http://www.archiwum.opole.pl/szablon.php?id=30

info in german: http://www.christoph-www.de/evg_kb2.html
film-research mormons: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.a...
it looks like that just in that area most were catholics.

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 8:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you very much, I was feeling helpless in this new area of the world.

Neil

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 8:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Dec 2011 8:42PM GMT
are you sure about Upper-Silesia?
Oberschlesien/Upper-Silesia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Silesia
Landkreis Leobschütz:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreis_Leobsch%C3%BCtz
http://www.leobschuetz-oberschlesien.de/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C5%82ubczyce
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C5%82ubczyce

are you sure that you not confuse the now polish Wanowitz =
Wojnowice, at community Kietrz, Powiat Głubczycki > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kietrz
with the now czech Wanowitz in moravian Brünn/Brno-area?
Vanovice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanovice
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanovice
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&cp=19&gs_id=2x&...
for the last you would have to research in czech archives. clear it up and if you need the czech sign up again and i will give you the links.

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 4 Dec 2011 5:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: LUDWIG
The Moravian Church records of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania have his membership listed as "Franz Joseph Ludwig born 25 May 1766, Wenewitz,(sp), Silesia. Joined Church at Niesky in 1784" Franz Joseph emmigrated to USA in 1786. So I guess that means he probably was baptized a Catholic.

So do you think Im on the right track with the Polish Silesia? I suppose Niesky might be a good lead also. I just rediscovered that one....

Neil

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 4 Dec 2011 6:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Dec 2011 6:59PM GMT
as stated Silesia think it must be the now polish Wanowitz.
possible he moved than to Niesky north-west of it > "Joined Church at Niesky in 1784"......

Niesky? Lower-Silesia, Germany
"The town was founded in 1742 by Bohemian immigrants. As members of the Moravian Church, they fled from persecution in their Catholic homeland...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niesky
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niesky
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&cp=5&gs_id=u&xh...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreis_Rothenburg_%28Ob._Lau...

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 4 Dec 2011 6:59PM GMT
Classification: Query

Hmm, I just got this e mail from a friend of mine about the location which now makes me think it may have been in the other part.

Here it is: What do you make of it?


Neil, I'll start by saying that my background includes six years studying history at the University of Munich in Germany, in case you might find yourself wondering where my historical knowledge comes from.

You are wrong about Wanowitz and Niesky being located in Poland today. Neither one is located in Poland today!

WANOWITZ was located in AUSTRIA, in what was until 1918 the very small province of AUSTRIAN SILESIA, its capital the city of TROPPAU. The former Austrian Silesia is one of the components of today's CZECH REPUBLIC. Troppau is now known by the Czech name OPAVA, and Wanowitz is now known by the Czech name VANOVICE.

I will mention here that following Emperor Joseph II's Edict of Tolerance of 1781, Wanowitz became and remained a Protestant town. (The original German inhabitants were of course expelled in 1945, as you probably know.)

The town of NIESKY was founded by members of the Moravian faith in 1742, and Moravians from elsewhere later migrated there as well. Niesky was located at the westernmost tip of what was from the mid-18th century until 1945 the PRUSSIAN province of SILESIA (in German: Schlesien), the German state of Prussia having taken most of Silesia from Austria in the wars of the mid-18th century, leaving Austria only a very small portion, which then became known as Austrian Silesia.

As I've explained, Wanowitz is not located in Poland today, and Niesky is not located in Poland today either. Niesky, a small city of about 10,000 people today, is still located in GERMANY. Niesky is located just west of the Neisse River, a short distance from the city of GÖRLITZ, or if written without the "Umlaut" (two dots) over the "O", GOERLITZ. This westernmost tip of Silesia is today part of the German state of SAXONY. There is still a Moravian church in Niesky.

To be a bit more precise as to location, Niesky is located in the region known as UPPER LUSATIA (in German: Oberlausitz), which is home not only to Germans, but also to a Slavic people known as the WENDS or the SORBS.

In any event, Neil, your research has nothing to do with Poland.

Re: Question about Moravian Church records in the 18th century???!!

Posted: 4 Dec 2011 7:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
It looks like I was on the right track with the Wanowitz in Poland. I just got this follow up e mail from this same guy. It gets very confusing doesnt it?

"Neil, I made a terrible blunder, for which I apologize. I don't know how I did something so stupid. The Wanowitz I told you about, the one located in today's Czech Repulbic and now known by the Czech name Vanovice, was NOT located in the small pre-1919 Austrian province of Austrian Silesia, but rather, it is located in the southern part of what was until 1918 the Austrian province of MORAVIA. So if your source indicates that Franz Joseph Ludwig was born in Wanowitz in SILESIA, then you were right, that Wanowitz was located in Prussian Silesia in Germany and is located in Poland today and is known by the Polish name Wojnowice. It is located near the city of Leobschütz -- or if written without the "Umlaut" (two dots) over the "u", Leobschuetz -- now known by the Polish name Glubczyce. Sorry for the confusion!

What I told you about Niesky is, however, correct.

Robert

Now I have to find out if Wanowitz is near this Niesky. You have been very helpful for which I thank you tremendously. Im a good researcher in the UK records but once I have to leave English and British geography, Im completely lost. from Neil in the USA
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