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Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

Posted: 14 Jul 2012 5:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Subject: Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

My 4th great grandfather, John Thomas was born abt 1758 in Pennsylvania, married Nancy Unknown abt 1780 in PA. They had the following children:
William Thomas (abt 1781-bef 1846)
Hester Thomas (abt 1784-bef 1846)
Nancy Thomas (abt 1786-bef 1846)
James Thomas (abt 1787-4/20/1874)
Ross Thomas (abt 1790-aft 1850)
John Thomas Jr. (3/18/1791-1/12/1852)
Richard Thomas (abt 1792-bef 1846) my 3rd g-gf
Ellen Thomas (abt 1796-5/1830)
Sarah E. Thomas (abt 1799- bef 1846)
Rachel Thomas (abt 1800-aft 12/1845)

John Thomas brought his family(less William, who had married and decided to stay in PA) to the Mingo Valley in Ohio, March of 1806, and remained there for the balance of his life, passing in 1846.
John’s 1st wife, Nancy passed abt 1825 and he married 2nd, Pricilla Lindsey abt 1826.


My 3rd g-gf, Richard Thomas, married Hannah Gray (1793-1829) abt 1814 in Champaign County, Ohio.
Hannah was the daughter of Isaac Gray(1762-1831) and Lydia Robinson(1763-1843) of the Mingo Valley.
There was a close connection between the Thomas and Gray families with several more marriages, and being very devout Quakers, both of their homes were used for many religious services. Thomas family traditions also claim our family’s roots are in Wales.

Hannah’s sister, Mary Gray(aka”Aunt Mary” Gutheridge) was a big factor in Richard & Hannah lives. She was a source for much of the early history of Champaign County in her later years.
In a letter, “Aunt Mary” writes: In the year 1829 my sister died leaving eight children, the youngest a few hours old, six boys and one girl, and the infant just born was a girl. She had been afflicted so long; she gave me one of her little boys, Isaiah Thomas(my 2nd g-gf) as my own child.
I had the measles soon after I was married and I took cold and It brought on a disease I never got well of. I had no child when my sister lay a corpse.
People would look at the little babe and say; "Poor little thing". It is a pity it could live but a few hours, It was so little and poor that it hardly looked like a child.
After sister was buried we went back to her house. Richard Thomas, her husband, said we must take care of the children for he would do nothing for them, he said he would not stay another day in the house. When we left he gave me the infant, I told him he ought to have asked me if I would take her; he said they did not expect it to live. I said it might become a useful child and then he might want her.
He called all in the house to listen and witness what he would promise me If I would take her; under no circumstances would he ever ask for her any more than If she was my own born child. I told him he must give me Lydia and the little girl too. He said that was what he wanted to do. Then I had three and the relatives took the rest of the children.

Note by RBE: I was not very proud of this grandfather when I learned of this. With repeated searches I have never been able to find what became of Richard after this time.

(by Aunt Mary) John lgou married Hannah Thomas, she was that poor little babe that was born when her mother died, he took her to Illinois and there she died and left three little boys and he brought them back to me and I raised them.

With such a large family, all located in the Mingo Valley for many years, you would think there would be some recollection or family traditions that would identify or point to the parents of Mingo John, who most likely also stayed behind in PA, or perhaps had already passed on when Mingo John took his family to Ohio, but I have not yet been able to discover the facts.

There was a tradition of naming the 1st born grandson after his grandfather. William Thomas, John’s 1st son had a son and named him Owen Thomas.

There was an Owen Thomas(1731-1769)from Grayson County, VA; who married Mary Polly Hardin(1733-1805) abt 1755, and they had a son named John; and his family line has roots in Wales.

With my John being born abt 1758, the dates would work, but I have not been able to find any other facts to prove a connection.

Are there any other Thomas researchers out there who can add to this story? If so, I would be delighted to hear from you and will gladly share any details.


For added information; the following 1800 Census entry is a possible match to the “Mingo” John Thomas family of Champaign County, Ohio:

Hopewell Township, Washington County, Pennsylvania, USA
FWM under 10 1
FWM 10-15 1
FWM 16-25 1
FWM 26—44 1
FWF under 10 3
FWF 10-15 2
FWF 26-44 1
# HM under 16 7
#HM over 25 2
Total #HM 10


Re: Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

Posted: 24 Mar 2013 4:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thomas, Gutridge, Wood
Hi Robert,

Your ancestor John Thomas was evidently one of the three witnesses to the will of John Gutridge, of Champaign County, Ohio (will dated 22 Jun 1822, probated 5 Jul 1824). I have been collecting Gutridge information for over 30 years. One of the little background stories I picked up on was this deposition of Christopher Stark Wood (1771-1855) in the Lyman C. Draper papers at the Wisconsin Historical Society:

Draper Papers

Notes of Christopher Stark Wood

About 1786 David Thomas, a Welshman, commonly called Taff and one Smith were going after their horses in the cane break, near Washington (Ky.), in the fall of the year; Chris. Wood & James Gutridge, youths of 14 went out to cut cane and had horses to bring in the bundles to feed their horses locked up during the night. About sundown. Finally Wood said he had a singular fear come over him and he said he was afraid of Indians and would take his bundle and started back. Wood taking the lead a few rods soon passed Thomas & Smith and told them they saw their horse some 300 yards ahead; Cpt. Snake & some 3 other Indians, two on each side of the path--ran and grabbed them, Snake laughing when he took them. The Indians took their horses. Next morning early Snake told the whites, only two miles from Washington, they might go home & while Thomas was very polite, bowing, "Thank ye, good Indians, Thank ye good Indians" and moving away, Smith was contending for his horse--wouldn't go without--when Snake frowningly drew his tomahawk & made a motion & told him to be off quick & Smith was glad to decamp...Cpt. Snake has since told Judge Wood that he & his party would have taken him & Gutridge if they had not been too far apart, & found they could not get Gutridge, though could easily have got Wood. Snake laughed considerably over the affair when Wood told him he was the boy in front on the black horse!

It's possible that this David Thomas is related to your John -- the families that were in Washington County, Pennsylvania in the closing years of the Revolutionary War moved off to Mason County, Kentucky, and then, after the turn of the 19th century (around 1803-1807) moved across the Ohio River into Ohio.

We just have to keep digging on these poorly documented old families!

Cheers!

Richard Cochran
Big Rapids, Michigan

Re: Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

Posted: 12 Apr 2013 7:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thomas, Hardin, Gray
Hello Richard,
My "Mingo" John Thomas had a brother by the name of David, and the David Thomas in your story could well be him, as John was also Welsh.

I find John and David on the 1793 & 1790 Mason County tax rolls, which also tracks right as John did not bring his family to Champaign County, Ohio until about 1806.

Do you have any knowledge of this Thomas family when they were in Washington County, PA.
I believe John's parents were Owen Thomas & Mary(Polly) Hardin, but have been unable to totally document this to date.

Too bad these early settlers didn't leave a few more records of their lives.

Best Regards,
Bob Enloe
Bend, OR

Re: Who were the parents of “Mingo”’ John Thomas of Champaign County, Ohio?

Posted: 14 Mar 2014 1:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
I am trying to research the Thomas family from Washington County. I have William Thomas(d. 1925) married to Martha Anna(Anna) Carney in Monongahela. They had 13 kids- some of them moved to Michigan.
I am having trouble getting back beyond that. I have found that J. Thomas owed a track of land in Nottingham Twp Washington County about 1870's and I have found several Thomas families in that area but am having trouble documenting them on census or family trees. I am hoping to get back further in the family tree. I found Martha Ann Thomas(1832-1865) from Nottingham married to Alexander Devore(1830-1907)(Devores owed the land track by the Thomas family).
Also maybe Owen is actually John because that is the Welsh translation.
Hopefully this helps. Did you find anything else?
Jill Kelly
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