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Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 27 Jun 2007 3:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking for any info on a Hughes or Hugh Holder, dob appx 1845-50, married to Mary Ann Elizabeth Rebecca last name unknown, children, Samuel dob abt 1870 Tn, William dob abt 1879 Tn,Della dob abt 1884 Tn,Harrison dob 1889 in Arkansas.My father-in-law is pretty sure his name was something with Hugh in it. His father was Harrison, who never knew what happened to his father, evidently older sons knew but were not allowed to talk about it.

Descendants of William Hugh Holder, Unproven ~OR~ Don't do as I do, do as I say.

Posted: 28 Jun 2007 2:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Nov 2008 12:07PM GMT
Here is the information I have on this line:

Like all other information I share from my files it needs to be verified before posting as fact.

Descendants of William Hugh Holder

1 William Hugh Holder b: Bet. 1845 - 1853 TN
. + Mary Ann Elizabeth Rebecca ? b: Oct 1853 TN
2 Samuel L Holder b: 19 Oct 1872 TN*
.. + Mary b: 1873 AR
3 Mary Holder b: May 1894 Cherokee Nation, OK
3 Pearl Holder b: Aug 1898 Cherokee Nation, OK
3 Zonie Holder b: 1907 Oklahoma
3 Tony Holder b: 27 Jun 1914 Oklahoma d: 21 Jun 1997 Muskogee, McLain Co., OK
2 Sarah Holder b: Jun 1873 TN*
2 William Mosley Holder b: Jun 1878 TN
.. + Mary D b: 1880 KS
3 Robert H Holder b: 1916 Oklahoma
3 Mary M Holder b: 1910 Oklahoma
2 Della Holder b: Sep 1883 AR*
2 Alfred Harrison Holder b: 21 Aug 1890 Cherokee Nation* : Fayetteville, Washington Co., AR*
.. + Mary M b: 1897 AR
3 Lloyd Holder b: 1906

BELOW IS TOTAL SPECULATION, and just a posibility
The William Hugh Holder you are looking for could be the same as Hugh Holder b. 1850

This Hugh was the son of Berryman Baylor Holder b. 1828 d. 22 Feb 1864 (Killed in action near Johnson's Mills, White Co., TN)
Descendants of Berryman Baylor Holder

1 Berryman Baylor Holder b: 1828 NC d: 22 Feb 1864 Johnson's Mills, White Co., TN
. + Sarah Caroline Smith b: 1831 TN
2 Samuel King Holder b: 09 Mar 1849 Warren Co., TN d: 05 Aug 1898
.. + Lee Ann Adcock b: 15 May 1859 Dekalb Co., TN d: 01 Aug 1894
2 Hugh Holder b: 1850 Warren Co., TN
2 Jane Holder b: 1854 Warren Co., TN
2 Louis J Holder b: 1857 Warren Co., TN
2 Evaline Holder b: 1859 Warren Co., TN
2 Mary Holder b: 1862 Warren Co., TN
2 Rossanna Holder b: 1864 Warren Co., TN

The only sure way to narrow down which HOLDER line is yours is through DNA. http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 2 Jul 2007 4:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Holder
Bill, I have Samuel King Holder b abt 1851 as son of Jonathan and Sinthy (their son Saml 9 in 1860 seems to be King age 19 in 1870):
1850 Warren Co. TN census (p 143 #956) lists Jonathan 26 NC, Sinthy 25 TN, Organ 2, Pantheon 1, Samuel McSpaddin 72.
1860 Warren Co. TN census (53-433) shows Jonathan 32, Orgena 12, Panthaan 10, Saml 9, Patrick 8, and Wm. R. 6.
1870 Warren Co. TN census (p 141 #25 McMinnville) lists Jonathan Holder 51 NC farmer; Ardelia 20 TN; King 19 TN; Patrick 17 TN and William 14 Texas.

So do you think Berryman also named a son Samuel King? (Berryman was Jonathan's younger brother, and I know Berryman did have a Samuel, too, but I don't have an initial or middle name for him.)
And you probably know there was also another William about the same age as Hugh, Berryman's son--William b abt 1852, son of James (brother of Berryman)and Martha.

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 20 Nov 2007 4:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: holder
i think Samuel King Holder is the son of Johnathon Holder not Berryman Holder and what i have seen here in Warren Co there is no evidence that there were 2 Samuel Kings,Berrymans Samuel disappears sometime around 1870 King Holder is clearly in johnathons house in the 1870 census I have family members(whom are in there late 80s) that will tell you that Johnathon is the father of King Holder,I have noticed most of the tombstone dates of my family dont coincide with dates ive seen at the local library.This is speculation but i believe the reason King does not show up on the 1850 census in Johnathons house is because he hasnt been born yet also like other Holders whom passed around the time of his death i dont think his dates are correct on his birth stone

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 21 Nov 2007 4:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi I am trying to find out information about my grandfather Oscar Andrew Holder- who his parents were- and my father James Lee Holder who died when I was 4.( Oct 1956 ) Oscar married Jewell Moore.
I am now suspecting that my father James Lee and his brother Glen Holder may have a different mother than Jewell Moore Holder. I would appreciate any information or contact. I was separated from these people after my father's death. I am named after my grandmother Jewell. I would like this information for my own children

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 21 Nov 2007 7:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sorry for the typo regarding Samuel King Holder obviously i meant to type tombstone instead of birthstone
does anyone have any info on his sister Pantheon Annette Holder she married Thomas Lewis they had 3 children Organ Lewis b1869 Samuel Lewis b1872 Ann Lewis b1877
Also information needed on William R Holder b 1854 in Warren Co Tn and moved to Texas,All of the above were grandchildren of Bailor Holder and Debby York who setled in Warren Co Tn probably in the mid 1840s

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 22 Nov 2007 1:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Holder
Do you know where your Holder family lived, and do you have approximate ages for your father, his brother, and their father? With that information, it may be possible to trace them back through the census records to connect with a known Holder family.

Also, if you have a living male relative with the Holder surname, please consider DNA testing. For more information on this, see the Holder DNA project page at

http://www.mindspring.com/~holderdna/

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 22 Nov 2007 4:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandfather Oscar was born in 1894 - they all lived in Gibson County Tenn. not sure where he was born
His son Glen, my uncle lived in Memphis Tenn. he was born Feb 25, 1929 and my father lived in Tenn- then Chicago and is buried in Tenn. I think his birthday was in July maybe 1922 ? he died in 1956 at the age 33- 35. I have a brother some where in Chicago area- who is a DNA holder-

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 22 Nov 2007 1:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Here is what I believe to be the census records of your line back to Thomas Holder b. 1820

This might be Thomas Holder, and Sarah Doss from Forsyth Co., NC Elizabeth Harris might be able to confirm this, and a DNA test would tell if this is the correct line.

Name: Thos Holder
Age in 1860: 40
Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1860: District 13, Gibson, Tennessee
Gender: Male
Post Office: Milan
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Holder 40
Sarah Holder 30
William A Holder 20
Jared J Holder 12
Rachel C Holder 10
Johnathan L Holder 5
Alford Holder 3

1870 District 9, Henderson Co., TN

House 53
Thomas Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1815 North Carolina White Male
Sarah Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1830 Virginia White Female
David J Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1849 North Carolina White Male
Rachel Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1851 North Carolina White Female
Jonathan Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1856 North Carolina White Male
Monraw Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1858 South Carolina White Male
House 54
William A Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1847 North Carolina White Male
Elender C Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1842 North Carolina White Female
John T Holder District 9, Henderson, TN abt 1868 Tennessee White Male

Home in 1880: District 1, Carroll, Tennessee
House 185
D. J. HOLDER Self M Male W 31 NC Farmer NC VA
Mary R. HOLDER Wife M Female W 27 NC Keeping House NC NC
Charles W. HOLDER Son S Male W 5 TN NC NC
Sarah R. HOLDER Dau S Female W 1 TN NC NC
Thomas S. HOLDER Son S Male W 3M TN NC NC
Source Information: 1880 Census 1880 Dist. 1, Carroll Co., TN

House 187
Name: J. L. Holder Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Birthplace: North Carolina
Relation to head-of-household: Self (Head)
Spouse's name: Nancy H.
Father's birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's birthplace: Virginia Occupation: Miller Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male
Household Members: Name Age
J. L. Holder 25 Nancy H. Holder 18 Emerson E. Holder 2M

The 1890 census was destroyed

1900
John Holder Nancy Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, May 1855 North Carolina White Head
Nancy Holder John Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Sept 1862 Tennessee White Wife married 1879
Guss Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, March 1880 Tennessee White Son
Minus Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Oct 1881 Tennessee White Son
Curry Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Aug 1884 Tennessee White Son
Murtle Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Oct 1887 Tennessee White Daughter
Osia A Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Oct 1893 Tennessee White Son
Bettie Lo Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Jan 1897 Tennessee White Daughter
Vena Holder Civil District 12, Madison, Tennessee, Sept 1898 Tennessee White Daughter


1910
Name: Johnathan Haider
[Johnathan Holder]
Age in 1910: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Birthplace: North Carolina
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: North Carolina
Mother's Birth Place: Virginia
Spouse's name: Jimina
Home in 1910: Civil District 2, Gibson, Tennessee
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Johnathan Haider 54
Jimina Haider 29
Minus R Haider 28
Oscar Haider 16
Bettie Haider 13

Re: Holder in Tennessee

Posted: 22 Nov 2007 5:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
It looks like your Oscar Holder spent some time in Arkansas after Glen was born. From the 1930 census AR Woodruff Co. Augusta Twsp:
Oscar Holder age 35 married b. AR/parents AR Occ: Rigger steel work, answered no for Veteran status, also no answer for age at marriage for either Oscar or Jewell.
wife Jewell age 29 b. AK/parents AR
son Willie age 9 b. AR
son James age 7 b. AR
son Glenwel age 1 b. AR (I see it maybe Glenmel on image)

I found a family tree online that has oldest child as a Wilmuth Irene Holder b. 1920 in Crockett TN. As for the above census I have found many instances where the birth states conflict from census to census and birth data and daughter listed as son or visa versa.

As for the question about Jewell being the mother of both older children and Glen, since she is on the 1930 cenusus as the wife of Oscar at that time then she should be the mother of Glen. Now with the age gap between James and Glen then the question would be is Jewell of the census a second wife and the mother of the older children? Is here maiden name Moore or has the family mixed up wives/mothers names, if and I repeat if Oscar married twice. Need to find marriage record for Oscar Andrew(s) Holder. By the way what makes you question whether your father James and Glen have the same mother?

WWI Draft Card Registration filed in Carroll Co. TN
Osker Andrews Holder age 24 living RFD Whillhorne (?hard to make out) TN b. Oct. 13, 1893, natural born in Spring Creek, TN occ: farmer employed by Butler Fly of Whillhorn TN. Married, no claim of exemption, Tall, Slender, Blue eyes, light hair. Signed Oscar Holder (different handwriting than rest of card) June 5th 1917.

Haven't located a married Oscar/Osker/Oskar Holder in 1920 census yet, as he should have to be if oldest daughter b. 1920 and the above WWI card is your grandfather.

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