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Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 4 Aug 2006 12:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Does anyone know if there is a family link from Rosanna Young (m Peter Haldane in 1812) and Helen Young (m Thomas P J Haldane in 1865)?

Thanks

Carol

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 9 Sep 2007 6:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Carol

I don't know about a link between Helen Young and Rosanna Young directly but I wouldn't be surprised since Helen's husband, Thomas Peter John Haldane, was the grandson of Peter Haldane and Rosanna Young. Thomas P J Haldane was the son of Peter Haldane born 1813 and Elizabeth Jane Yockins.

They are all listed in giantlop and also in the IGI.

Good luck with your research.

Mary Cave-Palmer

(whose great great grandfather was Peter Haldane, but I am not sure if it is the same Peter Haldane who married Rosanna Young or not!

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 9 Sep 2007 12:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Mary

Well, I am giantlop! Was your great great gf peter haldane? If yes, how so?

Thanks

Carol

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 10 Sep 2007 7:48AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Haldane, Guillum Scott
Actually my gt gt gt gf was Peter Haldane, but I don't know if he was the same Peter Haldane as the one you were referring to, even though I realise your one had a daughter named Agnes who was about the same age as my gt gt gm Agnes Haldane who married John Guillum Scott in Lambeth, Middlesex in April 1846. I have collected quite a lot of info about your Peter Haldane but nothing that decisively defines him as the same person as my one! I am happy to share what I have about your one, although I think you have most of it on giantlop already.

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 4 Oct 2007 7:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes Agnes Haldane (1815) married John Guillum-Scott is my relative. They had 10 children, one of which settled in NZ
(Charles).
You can contact me by email - phsam@value.net.nz that would be great.

Cheers,
Helene

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 15 Nov 2007 2:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Haldane
I too am a descendant of Peter Haldane via Thomas Peter John Haldane (Peter Haldane the tailor's grandson).
When I was looking for Thomas Peter John Haldane's birth I couldn't find him in GRO records so I looked at baptismal registers for Chelsea as according to 1881 and 1871 census this was supposed to be where he was born.
I did come across the baptism of Jane Haldane, daughter of Peter & Esther Haldane. Address: Lawrence Street. Trade: Tailor. This was in the baptismal register of St. Luke, Chelsea on 25th July 1840 and the birth date was given as 13th July 1840. This was on page 249 and I was looking at the microfilm copies held at London Metropolitan Archives. I didn't look back before September 1837 as I was specifically looking for Thomas born between 1838-1841. For the record I have since found Thomas' baptism in the register of St. George, Hanover Square in 1838.
Can anyone claim Peter & Esther Haldane as their ancestors?

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 21 Nov 2007 1:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am conducting a Haldane DNA study that might shed some light on your family. It won't give names, but it might find some relatives or at the least, the migration pattern of your ancestors from thousands of years ago.

The Haldane DNA Project now has six participants: John, Don, Ian, and David Haldane, Ted Haldan, and Don Hadden. This report is on the results of their DNA findings. John and Ian have a proven (by paper trail) common ancestor in Adam Haldane, born 1746 in Longniddry, East Lothian, Scotland.

Don's family can be traced to George Ward Haldane, born before 1838. His place of birth is unknown, but his children were born in Durham County, England. There is no paper trail connection between Ian's and John's family and Don's family or Ted's family or Don Hadden's family.

The DNA is tested in three stages: the 12-marker test, the 25 marker test, and the 37 marker test. Each subsequent test supersedes the prior one and provides greater detail about the genetic history of the person being tested. Imagine the 12 marker test to be like viewing a beautiful landmark from several miles away - you can see it and observes general things about it. The 25 and 37 marker tests bring you closer and enable you to see much greater detail. We strongly recommend the 37 marker or greater.

There are many, many different groupings of like-DNA in the world. Each can be traced to points of origin in Africa some 35,000 years ago or more. Many of the groups have common beginnings, but have split into distinct measurements. These groupings are called HAPLOGROUPS. Each Haplogroup is a distinct "family" of DNA. Some can be traced to certain places in the world in past history.

This DNA study is exclusively on the male Y-chromosome. Women do not have a Y-chromosome. Therefore, the data examined on the Y-chromosome of the study participants has been passed down through the generations from father to son. Since surnames (Haldane in our case) have also been passed from father to son, the correlation between these DNA tests and surname history is statistically pretty high (although certainly not absolute, as surnames have changed over the years - Haldane has been spelled Hadden, Halden, and many other variations).

RESULTS

The DNA tests of the participants reveal a lot of answers and many questions as well.

John and Ian are a part of Haplogroup I1c (the letter after H). Don Haldane and David Haldane's Haplogroup is identified as R1b1. Ted Haldane and Don Hadden belong to Haplogroup R1B1c. These Haplogroups make up more than 80% of the Haplogroups in all of the United Kingdom, with R1b consisting of more than 50% and Haplogroup I making up about one-third of the total. As to placement in other parts of the world, R1b shows origins and the strongest presence in Spain and France while the Haplogroup I is very widespread with a very strong presence in both Scandinavia and Greece. R1b makes up over 85% of the DNA at the Spain/France border area, more than two-thirds of the DNA in Portugal, and more than half in Germany. Haplogroup I does not show that level of dominance anywhere, although it is more than one-third of the DNA in Sweden, almost half in Norway, and almost half in Greece. It also shows more than 40% in Afghanistan.

The fact that Don's, Ted's, David's and Don (Hadden's) group (R1b1) is different from Ian's and John's group (I), is significant. It proves beyond any doubt that they do not share a common ancestor in the last 30,000 years - long before surnames were a part of human history. Therefore, we have already proven that there is more than one origin of the family name, Haldane.

It is also significant that even though they share the same last name (Haldane) and the same Haplogroup (R1b1), Don and Dave vary by 19 of 37 markers. This means they are certainly not related. Dave varies from Both Don Hadden and Ted Haldan by 16 of 37 markers, also a sure sign they are not related. So Dave Haldane is not related to any of the five preceding people who tested!

For more information, just email me: johnhaldane@cox.net or check out the Family Tree DNA site: www.familytreedna.com/

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 10 Nov 2012 8:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Back into this again. Different addy now - mh.guillum-scott@hotmail.co.nz

Cheers
Helene

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 11 Nov 2012 12:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have the birth, marriage and death certs for T P J Haldane. check my trees, mainly Giantlop Tree for more info

carol

Re: Thomas AND Peter T J Haldane / wives named Young

Posted: 11 Nov 2012 12:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
have you looked at my trees? Giantlop has most info.

best

carol
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