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Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 2 Sep 2002 2:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 30 Dec 2005 4:22PM GMT
Surnames: Karls
Can anyone tell me whether the following squares with any research anyone has done?

My great great grandfather was a Theodore Karls. He lived most of his life in and around Fond du Lac, WI, but I know at times he went one county to the west (to Ripon and Princeton, WI) and then one county to the northeast (Calumet County). I think I have found his 1900 census location as Chilton, WI, which is about 20 miles up the lakeshore from Fond du Lac, where he was living with his wife Gertrude and several of his 9 children. If indeed I have correctly found my great great grandfather, and the census information is to be believed, I know that he was born in Germany circa 1845, and would have emigrated to the U.S. when he was 2 or 3, i.e., circa 1847.

My "proof" of his existence is my grandfather, 91 years old and still of sound mind, who vaguely remembers his grandfather "walking down the streets" of Fond du Lac to go fishing on Lake Winnebago. I have also in my possession a photograph of Theodore and Gertrude and all nine of their children, and the photograph carefully annotates who is who, and from this it is possible to estimate the date of the photograph as circa 1905 because it was taken about the time of my great grandfather's wedding, and thenceforth to estimate the ages of my relatives to within a few years. (It is on this basis that I believe I have found the right 1900 census entry).

The oral history of our family holds that my gggrandfather Theodore came to America with two other brothers, and that the three brothers didn't necessarily get along all that well and split up and went their separate ways. Judging from the age of the children I would presume that their parents came too. I unfortunately have no record of the names of the other two brothers, nor of Theodore's parents, or where any of them went or were buried. My grandfather knows nothing else, except that there were some "strains" within the family that chilled relations between them all. For instance, my grandfather says that his grandfather (Theodore) disowned certain parts of their families because of disputes over religion (what else?).

I have read many of the threads on this message board but frankly it is difficult to piece together much of a picture from these, as it seems that there were three or four different Karls migrations to America at different times, and it's hard for me to see how they necessarily fit together if at all. To make matters more complicated, it seems that certain names were quite common at the time, e.g., Joseph, Frank, Anna, Catherine, etc., that one can't put much stock in seeing a "Joseph Karls" and getting excited about it. The closest I have seen is a thread that mentions a Theodore as having two other brothers and settling around Fond du Lac in the 1850s, but the estimated age for Theodore puts him a bit younger than what is stated for the Theodore I found in the 1900 census.

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Ed Karls (View posts)
Posted: 22 Oct 2002 2:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karls
Update:

I have obtained the death certificate and obituaries for Theodore Karls. He was born October 21 1850 in Germany, and immigrated to Wisconsin when he was a small boy. He had two brothers named Nicholas and Bernard who eventually moved on to Antelope, Sheridan County, Montana, and at least one sister who moved to Canada and was married to a Weber. Theodore died October 4, 1916 in Fond du Lac, WI, and is buried in Calvary Cemetery there.

If anyone has any information on his brothers Nicholas and Bernard in Montana, please reply or contact me.

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Bob Karls (View posts)
Posted: 1 Nov 2002 5:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello cousin,
How can we swap info? I've discovered much more since I wrote that message a couple years ago. Theodore and Nicolas were small children when they came to America with their parents, Peter and Catherine (Zimmer) Karls. Bernard was their first child born in America, followed by Benedict and Gertrude. Bernard and Benedict went to ND for a while. Bernard was in Douglas County, WI in the 1900 census and was among the founding families for a parish in Cudworth, Saskatchewan, Canada about 1907. They lived in Canada and moved west to BC where Bernard died in 1929, then they came back to the states to the Everett, Washington area about 1930. I have some info on the Weber connection too. I've also traced Peter back to a village in Rhineland that isn't on the map anymore. Peter's father is Hubert, from Aachen.
There is a Theodore Karls listed in the coroner's inquest index for Chicago, but from what you say, this must not be the Theodore in our family. There's also a Lawrence Karls that died in CA (have picture of him and his mother, who was a Weber. I'd like to fill in the gaps - let's sway info.

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 1 Nov 2002 2:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 30 Dec 2005 4:22PM GMT
Surnames: Karls
Bob,

If my records are accurate, you and I are third cousins once removed. I can send you a GEDCOM file of what I have--will send assuming that I successfully discern your direct email address. Obviously I have mostly info on the descendents of Theodore. I would be curious to get your review and reactions to it. Perhaps you could also send me a GEDCOM file as well of your research.

I have many many questions for you, and they mostly have to do with what sources of information you have used to verify your facts. I am fascinated with the Karls that went out west and to Canada. Why did they go, when my branch stayed in the Midwest? Do you have any info on Peter Karls' death? I did see two possible entries for Peter Karls' birth in Germany through the LDS site, and yes one of them was Hubert, but how to verify it is one and not the other? By the way what is the name of the lost village from which they came?

Where do you live? I am in Michigan. Look forward to hearing from you.

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 21 Feb 2009 6:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: karls
Hi Bob & Ekarls!

I'm wondering if you guys ever connected and filled in some gaps! I'd love to know why we moved out west too ;) Would you mind sharing any gedcome files w/ me? My email is jkarls (at) akelarts (dot) com.

Bob is my uncle and we descend through bernard & elva (jolley). LDS has the jolley side very well documented and I can shareif interested. Just went through and downloaded/removed dupes - fun!

I'm looking to find out more on the Karls side of things and would love anything you have to share!

-jason

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 14 Apr 2009 12:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi nephew,

Haven't been on this board for years. I do have a lot of info on the family history, including pictures and a couple generations back in Germany too. I only have library access to the internet and only go there about once a week. Let me know how to contact you, or call me (I'm in the book).

Uncle Bob

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 19 Jun 2009 11:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Not all fits but I have searched the records for ten years and there are two Theodores from my line c1850s. One is the son of Peter Carls (b. c1822) who immigrated in 1854 thru NY and to Fond du Lac County, Wisconsin. This Theodore was just a toddler when they crossed the Atlantic and his older brother, Nicolas, was about 3 or 4 years old. Peter's wife & Theodore's mother was Maria Catherine Zimmer. I think this Theodore married a Gertrude Franzen, or the one below did.

The other Theodore was Peter's younger brother who immigrated a few years after Peter, as did another younger brother of Peter's, Christopher.

I have info on my line going back at least two generations before immigration. I believe the Anton Carls in the FDL area c1840s is probably related, as this is where Peter directly went after getting to the US.

Bob Karls

Re: Theodore Karls in Fond du Lac

Posted: 22 Jun 2009 10:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Karls
Most of your June 19 post matches with my records. Peter Karls (Carls) (b.1822) and wife Maria Catherine Zimmer are our nearest common ancestors. Their son Theodore (the one who crossed with them) did in fact marry Gertrude Franzen, who are also direct ancestors of mine, but not yours. I have seen their graves in Fond du Lac, WI. (I have also looked for Peter and Maria's graves which I believe are in St. Peter just NE of FDL but haven't definitely found them.)

As for the various Anton Carls (Karls) in the Fond du Lac area, I have not found any evidence to positively establish any link between them and our line. This comports with family lore of my grandparents who always said (of the other Karls' running around FDL) that they were of "no relation."

Your June 19 post mentions bits of info that "don't fit"--please tell me what they are and I'll check my research. Thanks.
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