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Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 12 Apr 2007 4:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
I'm looking for information on three sisters, Charlotte, Madalina, and Louisa Goodman who attended a convent school in England in the 1830s...thanks to the roster posted earlier, I'm thinking that they are probably the daughters of Stephen Goodman.

Since this information is for my PhD dissertation, any help would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Kathy

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 26 Apr 2007 7:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Might I suggest you have a look at the British Guiana Colonists Index on the Internet.
Rgds
Tikwis

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 26 Apr 2007 1:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks - I did check out your fantastic list, but unfortunately, I didn't find the Goodman girls on the list. There was a Mary Madalina, that *might* be, but given her birthdate, she would have been barely a year old on arriving at the school where I found her.

Do you know of any other possible online sources?

Thanks again,
Kathy

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 31 Dec 2007 11:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Kathy,
Charlotte, Madelina and Louisa Goodman were the daughters of Stephen Arthur Goodman, my ggg grandfather. There were 8 daughters in total. I am very interested in their attendance at a school in England in the 1830s. Can you tell me how you found their names and connection to the school?
Many thanks,
Sally

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 1 Jan 2008 2:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Hi Sally,

I'm excited to hear from you! I would love to learn more about the girls and their family.

To answer your questions, I came across the girls during my research of the convent's school, located in York, as part of my Master's degree. Opened in 1686 to cater to the aristocracy, the school began to attract a growing number of middle class students from around the globe during the 18th and early 19th centuries, including your three relatives. They were, however, the only ones from Demarara (so I was very surprised to hear that there were more girls!). Most of the foreign students at the school were daughters of catholic merchants from the West Indies, Spain, Portugal, and France (and a dozen other locations), though the majority of the student body were British nationals.

My current research while focusing on the school will eventually also encompass the networks established by merchants and industrialists who sent their daughters to the school in the 18th-19th centuries. So, long story short, I'm trying to reconsitute as many of the foreign families as I can so I can track their family and business connections. Unfortunately, I've been hindered by the fact that, in most cases, the school's account books do not include the names or occupations of the girls' parents. I'm having to do a lot of chasing to make a little progress - hence my excitement in getting your post.

What a wonderful way to end 2007 - I look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers,
Kathy

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 1 Jan 2008 2:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Hi Sally,

I'm excited to hear from you! I would love to learn more about the girls and their family.

To answer your questions, I came across the girls during my research of the convent's school, located in York, as part of my Master's degree. Opened in 1686 to cater to the aristocracy, the school began to attract a growing number of middle class students from around the globe during the 18th and early 19th centuries, including your three relatives. They were, however, the only ones from Demarara (so I was very surprised to hear that there were more girls!). Most of the foreign students at the school were daughters of catholic merchants from the West Indies, Spain, Portugal, and France (and a dozen other locations), though the majority of the student body were British nationals.

My current research while focusing on the school will eventually also encompass the networks established by merchants and industrialists who sent their daughters to the school in the 18th-19th centuries. So, long story short, I'm trying to reconsitute as many of the foreign families as I can so I can track their family and business connections. Unfortunately, I've been hindered by the fact that, in most cases, the school's account books do not include the names or occupations of the girls' parents. I'm having to do a lot of chasing to make a little progress - hence my excitement in getting your post.

What a wonderful way to end 2007 - I look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers,
Kathy

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 1 Jan 2008 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Kathy,
How wonderful to hear from you. I have been delving into the Goodman family history over the holidays. Initially I was very excited to find that Stephen Arthur Goodman was a major-general in the British army and had served with Wellington. I later discovered that he was involved in the slave suppression in British Guiana in 1823. If you Google his name, you can find many references to this. There is a site for the Annual Register 1845 that gives his obituary which gives a great deal of biographical information.
Goodman and his wife Catherine married in 1806 and had 14 children, six daughters and five sons.
I have little information about the girls-some birth, marriage and death dates. I did find Madelena, Frances and Charlotte in the 1861 British census, living in Liverpool. I also found an obituary for Charlotte-she died in 1862.
So if you have specific questions, I will offer what I have.
What was the name of the convent school? I'm not surprised the girls went to school there. York and Leeds were major military bases. In doing research on another branch of my English family, I found that my maternal great grandmother's family lived in both cities-they were also a military family.
Well I hope I can be of help to you, and I'm very interested in your master's research.

Sally

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 1 Jan 2008 11:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Hi Sally,

After I got your message yesterday, I immediately did google Stephen - it is exciting to find that he was such a powerful figure in the military, but I would think that his involvement with the resolution of the uprising certainly put a different perspective on his service (for some relatives). I found the material you mentioned - the Register, the 1861 census and Charlotte's obit, and several accounts of the court proceedings for the uprising itself.

The school that the girls attended was operated by the Institute of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and is known locally as the Bar Convent because of its location just outside Micklegate Bar (one of the main gates to the city). For much of its existence, few people knew of the convent's existence since it was illegal in the 18th C to be Catholic in England. Louisa and Charlotte arrived at the school in 1833, and Madelena in 1835. I will be able to give you more information on what they studied and how long they were there later this spring/summer when I go back for more research (I didn't include them in my earlier work). It is possible that the other daughters also attended - they may have come ealier or later and were simply overlooked when the original 19th C roster was compiled (one of the projects I am working on is to produce a complete 18-19th c record). I was surprised, however, not to find anything else in the census records for the three girls since they were there in the 1860s.

I would be terrible grateful even for birth and death dates for the girls, and to know if any of them married (the other sisters as well since families often sent the next generation even if the mother hadn't attended, but a realtive had). Is there a chance that you have spouse names for the brothers as well? I'd like to see if the siblings married into the families of classmates, of if their children attended.

Finally, do you know anything about Stephen's family - was he the son of an aristocrat or lesser gentry? Or what Catherine's maiden name was, or anything else about her family? I know its alot to ask, so anything you'd like to pass on would be very appreciated. I'm also curious what other surnames you are researching - perhaps some of them haave ties to the school as well.

I know - I have so many questions!

If you are not familiar with the Bar Convent, you can check out their website - the sisters turned the school over to the York Diocese in 1985, and it continues to operate with several hundred students. The convent itself is now a B&B, and they have a wonderful museum. The school records, however, are not accessible online, nor is there any published material on the students themselves. At this point, the archivist can only provide verification of names and dates from a roster that was compiled in the late 19th century (but which is also missing a fair number of students). But, I will be happy to pass on information on the family as I get it during my own work this year.

Whew! That's a lot to digest, so I should stop and get back to work. Hope your new year is off to a lovely start!

Cheers,
Kathy

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 15 Dec 2008 3:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Goodman
Tikwis,

Do you know when you'll be putting the British Guiana Colonists Index site back up? I'd like to check records for the Goodman family.

Many thanks, Sally

Re: Goodman family of Demarara, early 1800s

Posted: 16 Dec 2008 3:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
The situation has not yet been resolved re the Index but work is still going on - in the background. In the meantime, the homepage gives an email address if you wish to contact me directly with particular names.

Rgds
Tikwis
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