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John M. Holder

Posted: 16 Nov 2009 4:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Holder, Rhodes
The following was found in Samuel Greenberry Rhodes' (b. 1838, son of Samuel Rhodes b. 1799) family Bible in Elbert County, Georgia: John M. Holder married Mary A. on 15 Nov. 1832. Does anyone have information on this family?

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 26 Mar 2010 6:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Do you know the location? It is possible that this John M. Holder may be the son of John W. Holder and was born ca 1815 in Tn. and died 1864 in Missouri.

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 26 Mar 2010 7:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
The only location I have Is Georgia, where the Rhodes family arrived about 1800, I don't know why the Holders are mentioned in the Bible and I've never heard of that name associated with the Rhodes, but I'm sure they were since they were important enough to be in the Rhodes Bible.

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 17 Apr 2010 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
You might want to check the marriage date. This is who I believe you are looking for

Descendants of Mary Ann Rhodes, Holly

1 Mary Ann Rhodes, Holly b: 03 May 1826 GA : (probably) Fayette Co., GA* d: 26 Feb 1900
. +Green Berry Holder b: 29 May 1823 Sampson Co., NC* d: 27 Mar 1905 m: 02 Jan 1845 Fayette Co., GA
2 Josiah Gresham Holder b: 1845 Fayette Co., GA*
..+Mary Francis Rhodes b: Abt. 1845 GA
2 Jabez Maurice Holder b: Apr 1848 Fayette Co., GA* d: 15 Nov 1911
..+Mary Elizabeth Reed b: Abt. 1851 GA d: 15 Feb 1888 m: 20 Dec 1870 Haralson Co., GA
2 John Isaac Holder b: 1849 Fayette Co., GA* d: Bef. 1900
..+Mary Jane Owens b: Oct 1850 AL d: 1930 m: 12 Nov 1871 Calhoun Co., AL
2 Nancy Elizabeth Holder b: Dec 1850 Dekalb Co., GA* d: 1937
.. +George Couch b: Abt. 1850
2 Mary Prudence Holder b: 10 Mar 1852 Dekalb Co., GA* d: 23 Mar 1916
.. +James Martin Reeves b: 03 Apr 1857 Benton Co., AL d: 07 Jul 1941 m: Dec 1874 Calhoun Co., AL
2 Samuel Green Holder b: 04 Nov 1853 Dekalb Co., GA*
..+Mary Elizabeth Doss b: 04 Aug 1863 AL m: Abt. 1880 Calhoun Co., AL
2 Louisa Missouri Fanzini Holder b: Jun 1857 Dekalb Co., GA* d: Aft. 1920
..+Samuel Alexander Doss b: Dec 1847 AL d: Aft. 1920
2 William Robinson Holder b: May 1859 Calhoun Co., AL*
..+Nancy E Hardy b: Feb 1861 AL
2 Jefferson Davis Holder b: 22 Feb 1860 Calhoun Co., AL* d: 02 Apr 1945
..+Francis Adeline Hardy b: 03 Apr 1865 d: 24 Jan 1923 m: Abt. 1883
2 Dock Franklin Holder b: 1862 AL*
..+Hollie Owens b: Aft. 1860
2 Frances Holder b: Dec 1865 Cleburne Co., AL*
..+Jefferson Davis Maxwell b: Abt. 1862 m: 28 Oct 1883
2 Ellender Rebecca Holder b: 1868 Cleburne Co., Ga * d: 1952
..+John Robert Johnson b: Abt. 1868 m: 30 Oct 1889 Calhoun Al

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 18 Apr 2010 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks, Bill, do you have any information on the ancestors of Mary Ann Rhodes?

Thanks.
Frances

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 12 May 2012 9:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Holder
Green Berry Holder married Mary Ann Rhodes. They are my great-great-great grandparents.

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 17 May 2012 11:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have collected data from thousands of sources, and much of it is without verification. That is not to say I have not looked at it to see if it fits, but saying I do not have the sources. Verified corrections always appreciated

I GUARANTEE THERE ARE ERRORS IN THIS TREE. DO NOT TAKE THIS TREE AS 100% FACT. UNLESS YOU HAVE VERIFIED THE PARTS YOU POST ALWAYS POST IT WITH THIS WARNING

Descendants of John Holder



1 John Holder b: Bet. 1731 - 1742 d: Aft. 23 Jun 1790 Sampson Co., NC : near Harnett Co., NC, Johnston Co., NC
.. + Ann b: Bef. 1750
2 Anna Holder b: Bet. 1750 - 1772
2 Martha Holder b: Bet. 1750 - 1780
2 Drucilla Holder, Zilla b: Bet. 1750 - 1780
2 Sarah Holder b: Bet. 1750 - 1780
2 Nathaniel Holder b: Bet. 1750 - 1780
2 Mary Holder b: Bet. 1750 - 1780
2 Jesse Holder b: 1765 Duplin Co., NC of Johnston Co., NC d: 1848 Sampson Co., NC - Will dated 9/25/1845
.. + Ann Unk b: Abt. 1770 NC
3 Charlotte Holder b: Abt. 1790 d: Bef. 1845
3 [3] Abel Holder b: 1790 Sampson Co., NC d: Bet. 1870 - 1878 Henry Co., AL
.. + Peters b: 1800 m: Abt. 1820 prob Sampson Co., NC d: 1835
4 Jennet Holder b: 1820 Sampson Co., NC d: prob Crawford Co., IN
.. + Shepherd Bass b: 1822 Sampson Co., NC m: 1847 d: prob Crawford Co., IN
5 Lucretia Bass b: 1848 Sampson Co., NC
4 Holder b: Abt. 1821 Sampson Co., NC d: Bef. 1850
.. + Mary J Peters b: 1827
5 Edith Holder b: 1842 Sampson Co., NC
5 Mary C Holder b: 1845 Sampson Co., NC
5 Nicey Holder b: May 1850 Sampson Co., NC
4 [1] Sampson Holder b: 1823 Sampson Co., NC d: 01 Apr 1890
.. + Edney Peters b: Bet. 1823 - 1827 Sampson Co., NC m: Abt. 1840
*2nd Wife of [1] Sampson Holder:
.. + Martha Gainey b: 20 Feb 1830 Sampson Co., NC m: Abt. 1847 d: 25 Apr 1882 Sampson Co., NC
5 Lovey Jane Holder b: 1849 Sampson Co., NC
5 Thomas J Franklin Holder b: Jul 1850 Sampson Co., NC
... + Eliza D b: 1863 NC
5 Mary Ann E Holder, Mollie b: Aug 1851 Sampson Co., NC d: Aft. 19 Apr 1910 1910 single living w sister Martha P
5 Piercy Catherine Holder b: 1854 Sampson Co., NC d: Aft. 19 Apr 1910 1910 single living w sister Martha P
5 [2] Veston Haywood Holder b: Jun 1854 Sampson Co., NC
... + Amanda b: 1851 NC
*2nd Wife of [2] Veston Haywood Holder:
... + Francis W b: Nov 1859 m: 1885
5 Wiley Holder b: 1857 Sampson Co., NC
... + Aily b: 1863 NC
5 Sampson B Holder b: 1858 Sampson Co., NC
5 Edith Bryan Holder b: 1865 Sampson Co., NC
5 James Spence Holder b: 04 Feb 1868 Sampson Co., NC d: 17 Apr 1928 Fayetteville NC
5 Claudius Buckner Holder b: 1869 Sampson Co., NC
5 Minnie Inez Holder b: 20 Nov 1870 Johnston Co., NC d: 01 Dec 1913 Goldsboro, Wayne Co., NC
... + James William Cole b: 08 May 1867 Johnston Co., NC m: 28 Nov 1889 Johnston Co., NC
5 Martha P Holder b: Feb 1875 Johnston Co., NC d: Aft. 19 Apr 1910
... + Samuel G Turner b: Aug 1869 NC m: 1899
4 Mary Holder b: 1830 Sampson Co., NC d: may be daughter-in-law Mary J Peters
4 James Robert Holder b: 29 Mar 1833 Sampson Co., NC d: 22 Jan 1916 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
.. + Nancy Adams b: 25 Mar 1846 NC m: Abt. 1863 NC d: 25 May 1926 Panola Co., TX
5 Laura Ann Holder b: 04 Nov 1864 NC never married d: 12 Nov 1957 Marshall, Harrison Co., TX
5 Jesse B Holder b: 05 Jun 1867 Henry Co., AL d: 24 Jun 1920 Panola Co., TX
5 Mary M Holder b: May 1870 Henry Co., AL d: Bef. 1880 Henry Co., AL
5 John Robert T Holder b: Sep 1871 Henry Co., AL d: 19 Jan 1906 of Harrison Co., TX : Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
... + Millie b: 1881
5 George Holder b: 1872 Henry Co., AL
5 [6] Rebecca Holder b: May 1873 Henry Co., AL
... + [5] William Lemuel Box b: Sep 1871 Henry Co., AL
5 Lenora Lee Holder, Lu b: 1874 Henry Co., AL d: Marshall, Harrison Co., TX
... + Edward Buckner b: Abt. 1870 TX
5 Thomas James Holder b: 1875 Henry Co., AL d: 1947 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
... + Tibitha Alodia Muntz b: 21 Nov 1880 Harrison Co., TX d: 17 Dec 1954 Henderson, Rusk Co., TX
5 Drucilla Holder b: 29 Mar 1876 Henry Co., AL d: 03 Apr 1959 Harrison Co., TX
... + Daniel Cilvester Muntz b: 21 Mar 1875 Harrison, TX m: 30 Jul 1902 Panola Co., TX d: 04 Mar 1943 Harrison, TX
5 Joseph Henry Holder b: 09 Dec 1880 Henry Co., AL
4 Zachariah Holder b: 1834 Sampson Co., NC d: records show Ira Holder went to Florida in 1878
.. + Elizabeth A Holmes b: Bef. 1848 m: 18 Feb 1862 Barbour Co., AL
*2nd Wife of [3] Abel Holder:
.. + Mary Elizabeth Williams b: 1815 NC m: Abt. 1832 Sampson Co., NC d: 21 Jan 1884 Panola Co., TX
4 Jesse B Holder b: 10 Dec 1837 Sampson Co., NC : of Wayne Co., NC d: 31 Mar 1894 Panola Co., TX
.. + Sophire Sophia Lipscomb b: 12 Jun 1843 Henry Co., AL m: 1861 AL - prob. Henry Co., AL d: 10 Apr 1932 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
5 William James Holder b: 29 Mar 1862 Henry Co., AL d: 30 Jun 1880 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
5 John R Decator Holder b: 18 Feb 1865 Henry Co., AL d: Dec 1921 Rusk Co., TX
... + Avery E. Josaphine Harris b: 02 Nov 1871 TX m: 1888 Panola Co., TX d: 15 Feb 1960 Pinehill, Rusk Co., TX
5 Mary Magdalena Holder b: 11 Mar 1866 Henry Co., AL d: 19 May 1951 Polk Co., AR
... + Isham Lamuel Sammons b: 27 Jul 1859 Bibb Co., AL m: 06 Oct 1884 Shreveport, Caddo Par., LA d: 15 Sep 1951 Pima Co., AZ
5 Barney Bright Holder b: 05 Nov 1869 Henry Co., AL d: 28 Dec 1917 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
... + Georgia Henrietta Suggs, Netti b: 03 May 1875 TX m: 05 Nov 1895 Panola Co., TX d: 22 Oct 1964 Panola Co., TX
5 Frances Sophia Holder b: 02 Jun 1872 Henry Co., AL d: 06 Apr 1931 Panola Co., TX
... + John Grubenman b: 27 Apr 1870 St. Gallen, Switzerland m: 31 Aug 1899 d: 27 Dec 1939 Panola Co., TX
5 Jesse Edward Holder b: 05 Dec 1873 Henry Co., AL d: 02 Dec 1911
... + Lou Ada Slider b: 29 Mar 1882 Point, TX m: 31 Dec 1898 Emory, Rains Co., TX d: 11 Mar 1962
5 Laura Drusilla Holder b: 31 Jul 1877 Henry Co., AL d: 29 Oct 1953 Panola Co., TX
... + Julius McCann b: Abt. 1879 Jones Co., GA d: 30 Jan 1967 Dallas Co., TX
5 Ira Abel Holder b: 18 Feb 1878 Henry Co., AL d: 13 Sep 1919 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
... + Marian Eliza Pickron b: 17 Jan 1881 LA m: Abt. 1899 Panola Co., TX d: 16 Aug 1950 Long Branch Cem., Panola Co., TX
5 Leola Holder b: 08 Dec 1882 Panola Co., TX d: 22 Oct 1885 Panola Co., TX
5 George Sampson Holder b: 13 Jan 1886 Panola Co., TX d: 12 Mar 1979 Panola Co., TX
... + Lillie Lorene Arnold b: 1892 d: 1932 Panola Co., TX
4 John Calvin Holder b: Mar 1839 Sampson Co., NC d: prob Harrison Co., TX
.. + Cornelia b: Mar 1851 AL m: 1869
5 James G Holder b: May 1870 NC : Henry Co., AL
5 John J Holder b: Sep 1872 NC : Henry Co., AL d: Harrison Co., TX
... + May b: Feb 1879 m: 1896 Harrison Co., TX
5 Barney A Holder b: Oct 1878 TX
... + Beulah E b: 1884 TX m: 1904
5 Mormon Holder b: May 1881 TX
5 Mary E Holder, Marmie b: 1884 TX
... + George Brown b: 1880 TX m: 1900
5 Columbus Holder b: Dec 1884 TX
4 Barney B Holder b: Dec 1840 Sampson Co., NC d: prob Harnett Co., NC
.. + Emily A b: May 1843 NC m: 1870
5 Florence Elizabeth Holder b: 01 Sep 1871 AL d: 19 Oct 1937 Hookerton, Greene Co., NC
... + Servetus C Edwards b: 05 Feb 1848 Nash, NC m: Nash, NC d: 1920 Nash, NC
5 Eva Holder V b: Dec 1873 NC
5 Meta L Holder b: Jan 1878 Wayne Co., NC
5 Avera B Holder b: May 1879 Wayne Co., NC
5 John R Holder b: Oct 1881 Wayne Co., NC
5 Willie Holder b: Oct 1882 Harnett Co., NC
5 Anita Holder b: Abt. 1883 Harnett Co., NC
4 Abel Holder b: 1843 Sampson Co., NC d: 10 Jul 1864 Frederick Co., MD died POW Civil War
4 Drucilla Holder b: 14 Jul 1847 Sampson Co., NC d: 28 Oct 1926 Holmes Co., FL
.. + Thomas Brown b: Bet. 1815 - 1831 m: 26 Jan 1872 Henry Co., AL d: 06 Apr 1889 Henry Co., AL
5 [4] Albie Brown b: 10 Sep 1873 Henry Co., AL d: 21 Jan 1962 Bonifay Holmes, Florida
... + John Henry Mason b: Bet. 1853 - 1868 d: Apr 1892 Ashford Henry Co., AL
*2nd Husband of [4] Albie Brown:
... + Joseph B Kelly b: 28 Mar 1865 Dodge, Georgia d: 12 Jul 1929 Graceville, Jackson, Florida
4 Perry Green Holder b: 1849 Sampson Co., NC
4 Mary Elizabeth Holder b: Jan 1851 Sampson Co., NC d: 1944 Panola Co., TX
.. + John L Box b: Bef. 1848 m: 21 Dec 1871 Henry Co., AL d: Bef. 1880
5 [5] William Lemuel Box b: Sep 1871 Henry Co., AL
... + [6] Rebecca Holder b: May 1873 Henry Co., AL
5 Lewis V Box b: Dec 1879 Henry Co., AL
3 Nathaniel Holder, Nathan b: Bef. 1795 Sampson Co., NC
.. + Anna Knox b: Bet. 1790 - 1799 m: 07 Jul 1813 Cumberland Co., NC
3 Elizabeth Holder b: Abt. 1795 Sampson Co., NC d: Bef. 1845
4 Zachariah Holder b: 1812 Johnston Co., NC : both parents NC
.. + Nancy Corbert b: 1825 m: 23 Aug 1845 Johnston Co., NC d: 1850 census Johnston Co., NC
5 Malakiah Holder b: 1847 Johnston Co., NC d: 1850 census Johnston Co., NC
5 Hezekiah Holder b: 1848 Johnston Co., NC d: 1850 census Johnston Co., NC
5 Keziah Holder b: 1854 Johnston Co., NC
.. + Nichols b: Abt. 1790
3 Clarissa Clarkey Holder b: 1796 Sampson Co., NC
.. + Samuel Peters b: Bet. 1810 - 1815 Sampson Co., NC
3 [10] John Holder b: 1796 SC : Cumberland Co., NC d: Aft. 1870 Floyd Co., GA or Oak Level, Cleburne Co., AL
.. + Rachel Susannah Morrison b: Bef. 1801 NC m: 29 Apr 1816 Cumberland Co., NC d: Bef. 1850 prob. DeKalb Co., GA
4 Jesse Holder b: 13 Aug 1817 Sampson Co., NC (per pension NC 13 Aug 1812) d: Aft. 18 Jan 1897 Floyd Co., GA
.. + Hepzevah Langley b: 1826 GA d: 1871 Rome, Floyd, Georgia
5 [7] John Thomas Holder b: 30 Aug 1840 Gwinnett Co., GA (Aug 1837 on 1900 census) d: 19 Feb 1905 Rome, Floyd Co., GA
... + Susan A Bobo b: 1842 GA m: 13 Jan 1867 Lindale, Floyd Co., GA d: 03 Jul 1888 Rome, Floyd Co., GA
*2nd Wife of [7] John Thomas Holder:
... + Anna b: Apr 1850 m: 1896
5 [8] Greenberry Holder b: 22 Dec 1843 Lawrenceville, Gwinnett Co., GA d: 18 Jun 1914 Rome, Floyd Co., GA
... + Elizabeth Ford
*1st Wife of [8] Greenberry Holder:
... + Ansibelle Penelope Swords b: Apr 1842 Rock Creek, Cherokee Co., AL m: 27 Dec 1866 Lindale, Floyd Co., GA d: 13 Jan 1914 Rome, Floyd Co., GA
4 Elizabeth Holder b: Abt. 1819 Sampson Co., NC
.. + Bolden Rhion b: Bet. 1810 - 1820 m: 25 Jul 1850 Fayette Co., GA
4 Marion Holder b: 1821 Sampson Co., NC : of Calhoun Co., AL
.. + Elizabeth Holder b: 1833 GA : 1860 of Calhoun Co., AL
4 John Morrison Holder b: 1821 Carroll Co., GA d: 10 Jul 1864 7/10/1864 smallpox
.. + Sarah A Suddreth b: 1823 GA m: 18 Apr 1848 Fayette Co., GA
4 Green Berry Holder b: 29 May 1823 Sampson Co., NC d: 27 Mar 1905 Calhoun Co., AL
.. + Mary Ann Rhodes, Holly b: 03 May 1826 GA : (probably) Fayette Co., GA m: 02 Jan 1845 Fayette Co., GA d: 26 Feb 1900 Calhoun Co., AL
5 Josiah Gresham Holder b: Jan 1846 Fayette Co., GA d: 08 Apr 1910 Mansfield, Henry Co., TN
... + Mary Francis Rhodes b: Apr 1860 TN m: 1891
5 Jabez Maurice Holder b: Apr 1848 Fayette Co., GA d: 15 Nov 1911 Calhoun Co., AL
... + Mary Elizabeth Reed b: Abt. 1851 GA m: 20 Dec 1870 Haralson Co., GA d: 15 Feb 1888 Thomas Cem., Jacksonville, Calhoun Co., AL
5 John Isaac Holder b: 1849 Fayette Co., GA d: Bef. 1900 AR
... + Mary Jane Owens b: Oct 1850 AL m: 12 Nov 1871 Calhoun Co., AL d: 1930 AR
5 Nancy Elizabeth Holder b: Dec 1850 Dekalb Co., GA d: 1937
... + George C Couch b: Jun 1855 Alabama d: 1903
5 Mary Prudence Holder b: 10 Mar 1852 Dekalb Co., GA d: 23 Mar 1916
... + James Martin Reeves b: 03 Apr 1857 Benton Co., AL m: Dec 1874 Calhoun Co., AL d: 07 Jul 1941
5 Samuel Green Holder b: 04 Nov 1853 Dekalb Co., GA d: 1920 living Lincoln Co., LA
... + Mary Elizabeth Doss b: 04 Aug 1863 AL m: Abt. 1880 Calhoun Co., AL
5 Louisa Missouri Fanzini Holder b: Jun 1857 Dekalb Co., GA d: Aft. 1920
... + Samuel Alexander Doss b: Dec 1847 AL d: Aft. 1920
5 William Robinson Holder b: May 1859 Calhoun Co., AL
... + Nancy E Hardy b: Feb 1861 AL
5 Jefferson Davis Holder b: 22 Feb 1860 Calhoun Co., AL d: 02 Apr 1945 Calhoun Co., AL
... + Adeline Hardy b: 03 Apr 1865 Alabama m: 1882 Alabama d: 24 Jan 1923 Calhoun Co., AL
5 Dock Franklin Holder b: 1862 AL
... + Hollie Owens b: Aft. 1860
5 Frances Holder b: Dec 1865 Cleburne Co., AL
... + Jefferson Davis Maxwell b: Abt. 1862 m: 28 Oct 1883
5 Ellender Rebecca Holder b: 1868 Cleburne Co., Ga d: 1952 Anniston Al
... + John Robert Johnson b: Abt. 1868 m: 30 Oct 1889 Calhoun Al
4 Nancy Jane Holder b: 27 Mar 1829 Carroll Co., GA d: 25 Apr 1901
.. + John Lee b: 1792 Mecklenburg Co., NC m: 30 Oct 1853 De Kalb, AL d: 04 Jan 1865 East Point, GA
5 Karren Hoppick Lee b: 20 Mar 1852 d: 24 Oct 1938 Arab, AL
... + Manson L. Betterton b: Bef. 1862 m: 24 Dec 1882 Fulton Co., GA
5 Missouri Lee b: 1854 Fulton Co., GA d: 1925 Marshall, AL
... + George Cobb b: Abt. 1850 m: 19 Oct 1875 Dekalb Co., GA (now Fulton Co., GA)
5 Axie Lee b: 13 Feb 1854 Fulton Co., Ga
... + Sam Hornsby b: Abt. 1850
5 Theodosia Lee b: 16 Oct 1857 d: 1930
... + William Walton Wallace b: Abt. 1855 m: 14 Sep 1876 Fulton Co., GA
5 William Jasper Lee, Jasper b: 21 Jan 1859
... + Amanda Isabel Creel b: 03 Jun 1860 GA m: 20 Jan 1884 Clayton Co., GA
5 Upson Lee b: 27 Aug 1862 Georgia d: 05 Apr 1930
... + Cora Tommie Edison b: Bef. 1870 m: 13 Dec 1883 Campbell Co., GA (now Fulton co.)
4 [9] Ellendar Holder b: 1832 Carroll Co., GA d: Abt. 1864
.. + Joshua Patterson b: 1829 GA m: 05 Jan 1852 DeKalb Co., GA
*2nd Husband of [9] Ellendar Holder:
.. + Tryon Patterson b: 11 Mar 1833 Gwinnett, GA m: 11 Jan 1852 DeKalb Co., GA d: 27 Oct 1917
5 William J Patterson b: 1852
5 Richard J Patterson b: 30 Mar 1853
5 Ben Francis Patterson b: 03 Apr 1855
5 Millie A Patterson b: 10 Oct 1857 Carroll, GA d: 28 May 1935 Carroll, GA
5 Thomas Jasper Patterson b: 1858 d: 1929 Poplar Springs Church Carroll, GA
5 Sidney Belzora Patterson b: 01 May 1859 Fulton Co., GA d: 20 Apr 1936 Carroll, GA
5 John Patterson b: 1860 Salisbury, New Brunswick, Canada d: 1936
... + Mary Elizabeth Holder, Mor b: 18 Jun 1867 St. John, New Brunswick, Canada m: 1887 St. John, New Brunswick, Canada d: 1960
5 Thomas Patterson b: 1862
4 Rachel Amanda Holder b: Abt. 1833 Carroll Co., GA
.. + Isaac J Cook b: Abt. 1833 of Fayette Co., GA m: 30 Jul 1854 Fayette Co., GA
4 Mary A Holder b: Dec 1834 Carroll Co., GA
4 Caroline Holder b: Abt. 1839 Carroll Co., GA
4 William Sampson Holder b: 1840 DeKalb Co., GA d: 13 Jul 1861 Floyd Co., GA or oct, 13, 1861 of measles
.. + Nancy b: 1844 GA
5 Melvina Holder b: 1861 Floyd Co., GA
*2nd Wife of [10] John Holder:
.. + Martha b: 1815 GA m: Aft. 1850
3 Dorcas Holder b: 1816 of Johnston Co., NC d: Bet. 1860 - 1870 Sampson Co., NC
.. + Noel E West b: 1811 Northern Division, Sampson Co., NC m: Abt. 1837 Sampson Co., NC
4 Mary Jane West b: 23 Jan 1839 Sampson Co., NC
4 George R West b: 1842 Sampson Co., NC
4 Edna E West b: 1845
4 Sampson B. West b: 1848
4 Sarah West b: 1851
4 Jonnie Louisa West b: 1855
3 Israel Holder b: 1820 Sampson Co., NC d: Aft. 25 Jun 1880 prob Robeson Co., NC
.. + Sarah J Nichols b: Abt. 1821 Sampson Co., NC m: 18 Jun 1836 Johnston Co., NC d: Bef. 1880
4 Laura Marzilla Holder b: 1838 Johnston Co., NC
4 Mary Holder b: 1840 Johnston Co., NC
4 Joseph Nathaniel Holder b: Mar 1845 Johnston Co., NC d: Parents could be incorrect
.. + Sarah McClintock b: Feb 1843 IN
5 William H Holder b: 1868 Madison Co., IN
... + Martha Hester Shetterly b: 06 Aug 1878 Madison Co., IN
5 Joseph Madison Holder b: 05 Dec 1869 Madison Co., IN d: 29 Oct 1959 Frankton, Madison Co., IN
... + Elsie Mae Bronnenberg b: 22 Jan 1878 Lafayette Twp, Madison Co., IN m: 23 Nov 1896 Madison Co., IN d: 26 Jul 1949 Frankton, Madison Co., IN
5 Edward R Holder b: 1872 Madison Co., IN
5 Dessie F Holder b: 1874 Madison Co., IN
... + William H Brown b: Abt. 1870 m: 04 Mar 1894 Madison Co., IN
5 Leila V Holder b: Oct 1877 Madison Co., IN
2 Lettis Holder b: Bet. 1774 - 1782
2 Glada Holder b: 1785 Duplin Co., NC (section now Sampson Co., NC)

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 18 May 2012 6:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking at census data it appears that Joseph Nathaniel Holder b: Mar 1845 shown in the previous post is a son of Jacob Holder

Jacob Holder who was associated with the Stokes Co., NC Moravians. The , Mor I show behind the surname is what I use to distinguish this group.


Descendants of Jacob Holder, Mor

1 Jacob Holder, Mor b: 1813 Stokes Co., NC d: 03 May 1876 Indiana
.. + Nancy Allen b: 04 Oct 1827 Davie Co., NC m: 1845 Davie Co., NC d: 16 Nov 1893 Madison Co., IN
2 Joseph Nathaniel Holder, Mor b: Mar 1845 Johnston Co., NC d: Parents could be incorrect
.. + Sarah McClintock b: Feb 1843 IN
3 William H Holder, Mor b: 1868 Madison Co., IN
.. + Martha Hester Shetterly b: 06 Aug 1878 Madison Co., IN
3 Joseph Madison Holder, Mor b: 05 Dec 1869 Madison Co., IN d: 29 Oct 1959 Frankton, Madison Co., IN
.. + Elsie Mae Bronnenberg b: 22 Jan 1878 Lafayette Twp, Madison Co., IN m: 23 Nov 1896 Madison Co., IN d: 26 Jul 1949 Frankton, Madison Co., IN
3 Edward R Holder, Mor b: 1872 Madison Co., IN
3 Dessie F Holder, Mor b: 1874 Madison Co., IN
.. + William H Brown b: Abt. 1870 m: 04 Mar 1894 Madison Co., IN
3 Leila V Holder, Mor b: Oct 1877 Madison Co., IN

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 18 May 2012 1:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Holder, Allen
Jacob Holder and Nancy Allen do appear to have had a son named Joseph, who is age 4 in the 1850 Davie Co. census. I have no further information on him, but if he's the same person as Joseph Nathaniel Holder, then it's extremely unlikely that he was born in Johnston Co. NC. Conversely, if Joseph Nathaniel was definitely born in Johnston Co., then it's extremely unlikely that he was the son of Jacob and Nancy Allen Holder. Davie and Johnston counties are not close to one another, and are associated with different Holder families.

Does Joseph Nathaniel have a living male-line descendant? DNA testing would be very helpful here.

Re: John M. Holder

Posted: 18 May 2012 2:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 May 2012 3:02PM GMT
We need someone in this line to submit a DNA test, and that will be the undeniable proof.

I believe the original source probably had the Johnson Co., NC birth location wrong, and I had noted that "the parents may be wrong". I believe the best evidence that Joseph Nathaniel Holder is the same one shown age 4 in Davie Co., NC is the fact the age is correct, and the mother Nancy Allen Holder died 16 Nov 1893 in Madison Co., IN. No other Holder line lived in this county that I can find.

Joseph Nathaniel Holder was living in Madison Co., IN by 1870 went by the name Nathan in the census records 1880 and later.

Name: Joseph Holder
Age: 4
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: Davie County
Home in 1850: Davie, North Carolina
Gender: Male
Family Number: 287
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Holder 51
Nancy Holder 26
Joseph Holder 4
John Allen 24
Amy Allen 24

Name: Jas M Holder
Age in 1870: 7/12
Birth Year: abt 1869
Birthplace: Indiana
Home in 1870: Jackson, Madison, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Anderson
Name Age
J M Holder 24
Sarah Holder 27
Wm H Holder 2
Jas M Holder 7/12

Name: Nathan Holder
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1846
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1880: Lafayette, Madison, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sarah Holder
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Name Age
Nathan Holder 34
Sarah Holder 36
William H. Holder 12
Joseph M. Holder 10
Eddie R. Holder 8
Dessie F. Holder 6
Leila V. Holder 3


Name: Nathan Holder
Age: 55
Birth Date: Mar 1845
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1900: Lafayette, Madison, Indiana
[Madison]
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sarah Holder
Marriage Year: 1868
Years Married: 32
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: North Carolina
Name Age
Nathan Holder 55
Sarah Holder 57
Seila Holder 22

Name: Nathan Holder
Age in 1910: 64
Birth Year: 1846
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1910: Lafayette, Madison, Indiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Sarah Holder
Father's Birthplace: North Carolina
Mother's Birthplace: Carolina
Name Age
Nathan Holder 64
Sarah Holder 67
Leia Holder 32
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