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Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 8 Jan 2003 1:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 May 2004 3:55AM GMT
Surnames: CROSS/CROSSE, MASSEY, ROSE, CHEVIER
Looking for connections to the following family:


Samuel Massey CROSSE mar'd 1842 in London UK to Caroline CHEVIER
Son of above = Samuel Victor CROSSE, born mid 1800's, likely in London
(Likely there were other children of Samuel Massey & Caroline)
Samuel Victor CROSSE married Rachel ROSE in Adelaide, South Australia in 1877. They moved to the north island of New Zealand and had at least three children (maybe more):
Caroline Amelia CROSSE born 1878, Victor Massey CROSSE born 1879 and Rachel Florence CROSSE born 1881.
Seems the son, Victor, may have wound up in Bristol UK.
Often the surname is spelt as "CROSS"

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 8 May 2010 7:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
The Victor Massey CROSSE in Bristol was the son of Samuel Massey CROSSE and Caroline Amelia, born the March qtr of 1856 in the Kensington registration district (RD) of London. He isn't the same one you have born in New Zealand in 1879.

Samuel was born abt 1821 in, he says, Terrington, Cambridgeshire, son of Thomas and Elizabeth CROSSE. He married Caroline Amelia CHEVIN in the March qtr of 1842 in the Marylebone (London) RD.

Samuel and Amelia's eldest son was Samuel Massey CROSSE, b Dec qtr of 1843 in the Leeds (Yorkshire) RD. He died in the Sept qtr of 1877 in Lambeth (Surrey) RD at the age of 31. He seems to have married Emma HARDY in 1871 in the Holbeach (Lincolnshire) RD.

Samuel and Caroline Amelia didn't have a son named Samuel Victor. Their son Samuel isn't the same one you have as Samuel Victor.

However, Samuel's father, Thomas, may have had brothers one of whom might also have been Samuel. Alternatively Thomas may have had a nephew called Samuel who did emigrate to Australia.

Samuel and Caroline's son, Victor (b 1856) did have a son, Samuel Victor but he wasn't born until 1911 so not the one you have.

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 2:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: MASSEY CROSSE
Hi Charani,
Thanks for your detailed post, most of which is correct and holds up to the intensive research conducted on the family line in the last seven years or so, a couple of the things you've stated are up the wrong garden path. If you would like to discuss this family further please contact me on my direct email address (this is given in other posts I have made on the Crosse message board). I can see where your interest lies in the Massey-Crosse family, but please let me know what your connection is to this line.
Kind regards,
Rebecca

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 11:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
One point I know now I was awry on was Samuel's father. I carried on researching last night and found he was Edward so Thomas is most likely an uncle to Samuel.

Which was the other point that was I wide of the mark?

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 11:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Charani, you've latched onto the wrong father, the wrong uncle and jumped to a wrong conclusion on the son. Perhaps my best advise to you is: be wary of instant internet answers. Best wishes,
Rebecca

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 11:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Please name the names I've apparently got wrong.

I've been researching for a long time so don't jump to "instant internet answers". There wasn't such a thing as the internet when I first started researching.

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 1:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ah, then I’m sure you’d agree about how much research it takes, and I hope you see I mean no disrespect. I am one of a team of researchers from five different countries who have worked together on the Massey Crosse line. Samuel Massey Crosse’s father was also named Samuel, and we know this from SMC’s marriage certificate, the record of his baptism, his father’s will, census returns, the pedigree compiled by the Royal College of Arms, and by no means least, the family record begun by SMC’s great-grandfather and passed down the family to SMC’s current descendants. All these documents corroborate who was SMC's father, and where he was born. Samuel senior did not have a brother named Thomas. There was a Thomas in the generation previous to Samuel senior, but that Thomas died in infancy. I did ask you to kindly contact me directly, and an explanation of your connection to the family would still be appreciated. A family member responded to one of your queries more than three years ago, you did not reply. I wish you well.

Re: Samuel Victor CROSSE - London?, Adelaide SAust, New Zealand, Bristol Uk

Posted: 9 May 2010 2:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
The only Samuel Victor I have was born in 1911 and he was the brother to Yvonne who was born in Paris and they're my second cousins twice removed.

I have birth and marriage certificates together with census returns to back up my line but, as you are well aware, certificates and census returns are only as good as the informant.

I was speculating about Thomas, not saying it was a definite fact. My Samuel was the son of Edward so we're clearly talking about two different families here.

If I didn't reply to a response, it would be because I never saw it.

I was hoping to find someone on the same line as mine because I could have done with some help since this is quite a difficult family to trace.

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