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I suspect that the son Carl is my grandfather. John must have been the baby in the family and lived with my father. My father (Edward Carl, Sr.) told me of having an uncle that was younger than he, named John. Have you tracked down the Carl who was in prison? I have a newspaper article from a 1922 Lowell Mass. newspaper which probably copied the Toledo Blade that says Carl (the father and possibly our great grandfather?) was found innocent after serving 6 years in prison. Supposedly the only witness against him (his daughter) recanted.