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Sarah Foster b.1788

Sarah Foster b.1788

Posted: 4 Nov 2012 4:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Foster Ludders
I am searching for any info on my 4th great grandmother Sarah Foster. She was born 1788 in Trowse Newton, Norfolk, but married Jacob Ludders (a seaman from Hamburg Germany) on 19 Sep 1810 in Hackney, London. I am interested in any info about her family and when and why she moved to London.

Re: Sarah Foster b.1788

Posted: 30 Nov 2012 2:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 30 Nov 2012 2:19PM GMT
Hello Carol,

I’m not a descendant but found what may be the Church of England baptism index for your Sarah Foster at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) website at: https://www.familysearch.org/search

The index shows that Sarah was baptized in Trowse, Norfolk, on 30 December 1787. Her parents are listed as Richard Foster and Ann.

Church of England baptisms from this time period do not traditionally include the maiden name of the child’s mother. Though not stated in the baptism index, the Church of England parish church in Trowse is called St. Andrew’s.

The index follows:


"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Sarah Foster, 1787

name: Sarah Foster
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 30 Dec 1787
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Sarah Foster, 1787
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBB8-XZ5

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBB8-XZ5 : accessed 29 Nov 2012), Sarah Foster, 30 Dec 1787; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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Sarah’s baptism record can be found in LDS microfilm number 1472794, which covers baptisms, marriages, and burials from the late 1600s, to the 1900s. You can order this film from your nearest Family History Center.

I looked for the marriage record of a Richard Foster and an Ann, maiden name unknown, at the LDS website for Trowse, but didn’t find it, nor did I locate it when I expanded the search to all of Norfolk, including nearby Norwich. I may have missed locating their marriage, or it’s possible their marriage record has not been indexed by the LDS to date.

Next I uncovered the LDS baptism indexes for six more children of a Richard and Ann Foster in Trowse. These are for Elizabeth (1776); Wm. (1789); Francis (1790); John (1792; Ann (1793); and David (1797). Like Sarah’s baptism, the baptism records for these children can be found in LDS microfilm number 1472794.

The indexes follow:


"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Elizabeth Foster, 1776

name: Elizabeth Foster
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 24 Jul 1776
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Elizabeth Foster, 1776
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-DJ5

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-DJ5 : accessed 29 Nov 2012), Elizabeth Foster, 24 Jul 1776; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Wm. Foster, 1789

name: Wm. Foster
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Apr 1789
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Wm. Foster, 1789
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-XFL

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-XFL : accessed 29 Nov 2012), Wm. Foster, 10 Apr 1789; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Francis Foster, 1790

name: Francis Foster
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Dec 1790
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Francis Foster, 1790
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7F8-BRC

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7F8-BRC : accessed 29 Nov 2012), Francis Foster, 26 Dec 1790; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Foster, 1792

name: John Foster
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 01 Jan 1792
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," John Foster, 1792
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7F8-16X

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7F8-16X : accessed 29 Nov 2012), John Foster, 01 Jan 1792; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Ann Foster, 1793

name: Ann Foster
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1793
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-ODM
reference number:

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," Ann Foster, 1793
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JW34-JZ4
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"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," David Foster, 1797

name: David Foster
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 Dec 1797
baptism/christening place: Trowse, Norfolk, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Richard Foster
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Ann
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I02202-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number: item 15

source film number: 1472794 = Parish registers for Trowse: 1695-1912: Baptisms & burials, 1695-1778; marriages, 1695-1753. Baptisms & burials, 1779-1812. Baptisms, 1813-1835. Baptisms, 1835-1912. Marriages & banns, 1754-1803. Marriages, 1803-1812; banns, 1803-1833. Marriages, 1813-1837. Marriages, 1837-1912. Burials, 1813-1854. Burials, 1854-1907.

Collection: "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," David Foster, 1797
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-6V9

Citing this Record
"England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX7F-6V9 : accessed 29 Nov 2012), David Foster, 17 Dec 1797; citing Trowse, Norfolk, England, reference item 15; FHL microfilm 1472794.
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Next I found what I believe is your Sarah “Luders” in the 1841 census, living in an address of East Par, Snaith, Yorkshire. The census shows that she is 50 years old and born out of the county. The census also shows the Registration District for this section of Yorkshire was Goole, which is the same district in which the death of Jacob Ludders was recorded in 1844, according to information found in your family tree at the Ancestry.com message boards for the Foster and Ludders families.

The Ancestry.com index for the 1841 census has Sarah Luders residing in the same household with 10 year old Ann Stenitt, and 30 year old Ann Walton. But this is not correct. If you access a copy of the original 1841 census you’ll see on the line for Ann Walton, two hatch marks which look like //. These hatch marks indicate the last person in that particular household. The household in which Ann Stenitt and Ann Walton were living, was headed by a William Measwell, a 35 year old draper born in Yorkshire.


The census transcription below is from Ancestry.com and the Origins.net subscription website. It’s the Origins.net site which deciphered the street address for me:


1841 England Census

Civil parish: Snaith
Hundred: Osgoldcross (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: East Par

Registration district: Goole
Sub-registration district: Goole
Piece: 1307
Book: 11
Folio: 29
Page Number: 8

Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Whether Born in Same County

Sarah Luders, 50, Female, No

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1307; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Snaith; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 29; Page: 8; Line: 8; GSU roll: 464266.
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On the same census page as Sarah Luders, is also the enumeration for a 45 year old school mistress named Elizabeth Armitage. In the household with Elizabeth is 20 year old Maria Armitage and 4 year old Emma Armitage. These I believe are Elizabeth’s children. As you know Maria Armitage was to marry Sarah Ludders’ son, Richard Ludders, two years later in 1843.


The 1841 census for Elizabeth, Maria, and Emma Armitage, follows:


1841 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Armitage
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Snaith
Hundred: Osgoldcross (Lower Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: East Par

Registration district: Goole
Sub-registration district: Goole

Piece: 1307
Book: 11
Folio: 29
Page Number: 8

Name, Age, Sex, Occupation, Whether Born in Same County

Elizabeth Armitage, 45, Female, School Mistress, Yes
Maria Armitage, 20, Female, No
Emma Armitage, 4, Female, Yes

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1307; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Snaith; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 29; Page: 8; Line: 20; GSU roll: 464266
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Next is the Snaith Church of England marriage index for Richard Ludders and Maria Armitage, showing their marriage took place on 29 October 1843:


"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," Richard Ludders, 1843

groom's name: Richard Ludders
groom's birth date:
groom's birthplace:
groom's age:
bride's name: Maria Armitage
bride's birth date:
bride's birthplace:
bride's age:
marriage date: 29 Oct 1843
marriage place: Snaith, York, England
groom's father's name:
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name:
bride's mother's name:
groom's race:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's race:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: I04532-0
system origin: England-EASy
reference number:

source film number: 1912292 = Parish registers for Snaith.

Collection: "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," Richard Ludders, 1843
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNKY-75B

Citing this Record
"England, Marriages, 1538–1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNKY-75B : accessed 30 Nov 2012), Richard Ludders and Maria Armitage, ; citing Snaith, York, England, reference ; FHL microfilm 1912292.
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The marriage record for Richard and Maria can be found in LDS microfilm number 1912292. You can order this film from the Family History Center. Notes ( below) about film number 1912292 show that the Church of England in Snaith was called St. Lawrence. The notes also show the time period film number 1912292 covers for baptisms, marriages, and burials in the St. Lawrence Church:


Notes

Microfilm copy of original at the Doncaster Archives Department in Doncaster, Yorkshire.

Snaith parish church is also known as St. Lawrence's Church.


Burials, 1813-1853. Marriage banns, 1773-1784, 1823-1847. Draft copies of marriages, 1653-1657. Draft copies of burials, 1793. Draft copies of burials, 1800-1812; baptisms, 1812. Draft copies of burials, 1812-1864. Draft copies of marriage banns, 1803-1809. Baptism certificates, 1837; marriage licences, 1850, 1862, 1866-1867, 1875.
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Best Wishes Carol,

Dave Boylan

Re: Sarah Foster b.1788

Posted: 1 Dec 2012 8:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Dave
Thank you so much for all the info on Sarah Foster. Another member has also suggested the same names for her parents and siblings, so I think it is very likely that they are my ancestors.
Thanks also for looking at the Ludders. I already know lots about them thanks to previous research by my father and other family members, but your info has helped to confirm some of it. I am most interested in finding out about Sarah before her marriage.
I must also thank you for pointing me to the LDS website, I had not thought of looking there. A quick search has just given me a possible lead on another ancestor from a different branch of my family.
Best Wishes
Carol

Re: Sarah Foster b.1788

Posted: 2 Dec 2012 3:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome Carol.

Best of Luck with your research.

Dave
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