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Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 19 Oct 2010 8:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Oct 2010 12:53PM GMT
Surnames: Alessandri
I found who I think is my husband's great grandfather from Lucca, however, this immigration record states that he, along with all the other names listed died at sea during the voyage. I see another name just below his that indicates this man is a friend who sailed with him to immigrate to N.Y., and on to CA., and both came from the same region of Lucca.
My question is: Wouldn't there be another ship manifest record while he was still alive prior to the time he died on ship, and were the corpses buried at sea or sent back to the family of their hometown origin?

Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 20 Oct 2010 3:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Any response without viewing the manifest would be pure conjecture. Can you give the name of the immigrant, ship name, port and arrival date?

Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 17 Dec 2010 9:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
People who died at sea were usually buried at sea for the simple reason that there would be nowhere to keep the bodies, to say nothing of the cost of return to a hometown. After all, most emigrants were emigrating because they were very poor and seeking a new life so they would be unlikely to have enough money to pay all the costs of keeping the bodies and getting them back. There should however be a record of him on the ship as a passenger on leaving wherever, unless he was a stowaway - but that would have been recorded on the ship's log.

Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 7 Jun 2013 3:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Jun 2013 1:36PM GMT
Surnames: Hopcus
I recently found that a child Auriela Hopcus traveling with an ancester died after leaving Hamburg. At the time of death they were in the port of Le Havre France. There should be a passenger list from the point of departure and arrival. The note about Auriella having passed has been missed by abstractors. I am now on a search to find out where she was buried, etc., what they did with her. I have the departure manifest and the arrival manifest which lists her as having died. I am attaching the file so you will know sort of what to look for.
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Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 1:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
When you say that "abstractors" missed this info are you indicating those who compiled the databases such as those found at Ancestry? If so, I have not seen those "transcribers" make any such notations in the online databases.

As the poster previous to you mentioned, if the death as at sea, then the burial would have taken place at sea.

Robert

Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 11:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
they had stopped in Havre France to pick up more passengers is my understanding. I am told they may have had family pick them up, buried her there, or maybe shipped the body home. I am just wondering if the middle line in the death statement doesn't reveal the disposition of the body. I think that one line is in German and am going to try to have a friend read it today. The information online about the immigration shows Auriella having immigrated. I haven't seen such notations by the transcribers either. Without the actual image of the manifest and examining it closely, one would think she immigrated.

Re: Death during immigration voyage aboard ship

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 1:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have recently come across something (trying to help someone else) which has sent all my "facts" about "death at sea" into free-fall. I have checked with a couple of experts, including a retired Admiral, who confirmed they believed what I believed - "death at sea" meant you had died on a ship outside territorial waters. Gravesend on the north Kent coast in England is (I understand) so-called because if you died on a ship West of that point in the Thames estuary you had not died at sea and would be taken ashore for burial, if you died to the East of that point you had "died at sea" and would be buried at sea. I have now been told of a case where a death is clearly recorded as a person having died at sea on a ship called "Union" with a specific date - but no amount of searching could find a "Union" at sea on that date, in addition it was a steamship which had left England for the US six weeks before the death - a length of voyage impossible even in those days. It has now turned out that the ship did leave England on the date quoted but arrived in New York with both cholera and typhoid on board so everyone was quarantined on to a quarantine ship. Some were then moved to a second quarantine ship - the person concerned died, on the date recorded, on board the second quarantine ship in New York Harbour (which apparently also has a "Gravesend"!) and as far as the current knowledge goes all people who died on these quarantine ships were buried on Staten Island. It seems unbelievable that people could be buried by a civil authority which did not register them - but so far the only record is that he "died at sea" on a date when he was not on board the ship given as "place of death". I am not sure what the answer is for people searching apart from making enquiries at any specific port but one thing is clear - you could "die at sea" in New York harbour, on a ship different from the one recorded as your place of death. Do not know if this is of any help but at least it will let people know they may have to do some lateral thinking.
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