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Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 22 Sep 2013 3:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blumenthal, Nagor/Nagor/Nager, Sirotkin, Polonsky, Friedmann, Spritzer
Sorry this is long....

I’m looking for the family of Etta Blumenthal, b. 15 Apr 1883 in Guipitzich(??), Russia; died 15 Mar 1973 in Long Beach, Nassau Co., NY. Immigrated abt Jul/Aug 1901, on SS Hamburg out of Hamburg into NY (according to naturalization papers, but I can’t find the ship). Married Nathan Nagor/Nogar/Nager (b abt 1880 Mogilev, Belarus, Russia) 1903 in NY City. Nathan immigrated abt 1900-1903. Children, all born in Bronx, NY, were: Samuel, Fanny, William (married Dorothy Unknown from England) & Lillian (married Alexander/Albert Spritzer aka Al Post).

Etta’s father was Benjamin Blumenthal b. abt 1853 Russia; immigrated abt 1899. Etta’s mother was Rosie Sirotkin, that’s about all I know about her. All members of the family were listed in censuses as Russian Hebrew, but I don’t know if they were practicing Jews or attended Synagogue.

I have Etta & Nathan together in the Bronx, NY, in the 1905, 1910, 1920, 1925, & 1930 censuses. I have Etta in the 1940 census alone; says she was widowed. Etta was naturalized 5 Mar 1945. She died Mar 1973 in Long Beach, Nassau Co., NY. Never found Nathan’s death record. Know he was a paperhanger & painter. No SS record that I can find for him.
Etta had three sisters: Anna, Sadie and Jenny.

Sister Anna, in 1900 Census (Manhattan, NY), said she was born in Jul 1871 in Russia. Immigrated in 1886. Married Morris/Moritz Freidmann/Freedman about 1891 (based on birth of first son Joseph b 24 Sep 1892, Manhattan). Other children were Abram (Jul 1894, Manhattan) and Hyman/Herman (Jan 1896). Anna listed as widow in 1900, 1910, 1915, &1920 censuses. Morris must have died between last son Hyman’s birth 1896 and 1900 census. Found no info on Morris other than birth record for ‘Joe Friedman’ that listed parents as Anna Blomenthol and Morris Friedman. No record of Anna after 1930, except that she was living in the Bronx, NY, in 1945.

Sister Sadie was born abt 1892 in Russia; married in 1910 in NY to Lasar Polonsky (aka Louis Post) from Lyubar, Ukraine, Russia. Louis Polonsky immigrated in 1905, and was naturalized 14 May 1914; his naturalization included Sadie, but I haven’t been able to find the actual Declaration or Petition, just the index reference (Naturalization 12 May 1914, Louis Polonsky, 346 East 173rd St., Bronx, Vol 143, Pg 52) . Louis owned a button factory (Victoria Button Works).

Sister Jenny was born abt 1888 in Russia. Immigrated abt 1903. In the 1905 and 1910 censuses, she was living with widowed sister Anna. Can’t find her after that; probably married.

I keep puzzling over the arrival dates of Etta and her family. Don't know when Etta’s mother Rosie came. Sister Anna came in 1886 (age 15?). Father Benjamin came in 1899-1900 (age 40). Etta, 1901 (age 17) ; Sister Sadie, 1902 (age 10) ; Sister Jenny, 1903 (age 15?). Surely some of them must have travelled together or with someone. If I could find any of their ships, I could probably find where they came from. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Does anyone know where Guipitzich, Russia, is?

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 23 Sep 2013 7:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
check out jewishgen.org/google/a gazetteer/harvard univ map dept/routes to roots.com by miriam weiner.any large univ library.

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 23 Sep 2013 7:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
can you summarize your questions? You have done such a great research job not sure exactly what you need to know.

ellisislandrecords.org/stevemorse.com/castlegarden.org

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 24 Sep 2013 2:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Blumenthal; Sirotkin; Nagor/Nogar/Nager
Hi...
Thank you for your reply.

I'm looking to find where the Blumenthals came from and trace the family back.

I would like to find the passenger lists, naturalization papers, social security numbers/applications for Etta's parents (Benjamin Blumenthal & Rose Sirotkin), sisters (Anna, Sadie & Jenny...some may have been naturalized through their husband's papers), husband (Nathan Nagor/Nogar/Nager)....hoping that they will provide their place(s) of origin, family members they were traveling with, occupations, etc.

Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 24 Sep 2013 11:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ancestry has a naturalization petition for a Nathan Neger (misindexed as "Nattian Neger"), dated 12 Jun 1900. Occupation is "tailor", so may not be your man, but worth a look.

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=...

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 25 Sep 2013 1:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Another thought - are you sure that Etta was widowed rather than divorced or separated? (Despite what the 1940 census says.) I looked at her naturalization papers (at FamilySearch.org), and her 1942 declaration indicates that she is married and that her husband's residence is "unknown". The 1945 petition has "widowed" typed in and then over-struck, and again husband's residence is "unknown".

"Guipitzich" could be Kupiškis, Lithuania, according to the JewishGen Communities Database. There are other possibilities as well, but they sound less like Guipitzich.

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 25 Sep 2013 1:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks. But I don't think this is my Nathan. Nathan was a paperhanger & painter and was born abt 1880.

Cheryll

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 25 Sep 2013 1:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Kupiskis sounds promising. How would we prove it? If I could just find the passenger lists and any/all of them, there should be a town on there...or more naturalization papers.

Most promising would be Sadie. Her husband Lasar Polonsky aka Louis Post was naturalized in 1914. I found the index record (Naturalization 12 May 1914, Louis Polonsky, 346 East 173rd St., Bronx, Vol 143, Pg 52; supreme court) but can't find the Declaration or Petition. According to the 1925 census Sadie was a citizen through her husbands papers.

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 25 Sep 2013 1:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't know much about Nathan. I have him with Etta up to 1930 census, after that he just disappears. Family rumor was that Nathan abandoned the family when they got to the US, and Etta raised the kids alone, but they didn't even meet until the US and he was around at least until 1930. I don't know if he died or just left.

Re: Etta Blumenthal Nogar/Nagor/Nager

Posted: 30 Sep 2013 1:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Some possibilities to explore:

To locate immigration/naturalization records, try the USCIS Genealogy Program: http://www.uscis.gov/genealogy (but be aware that there's a charge for each search of their records)

If you aren't already familiar with JewishGen (http://www.jewishgen.org/), check out their resources, especially the discussion mailing lists. Post your questions on those; more researchers will see them.

Also see if you can locate NYC birth/marriage/death records via the tools at http://stevemorse.org/. For the time period of interest, you may be able to obtain copies from LDS microfilms.

Do you have any information about the Hebrew names of the people you're researching? They may have arrived in the US using some variant of their Hebrew names, rather than the Americanized names later used.
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