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Karl Fahrner b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was a granduncle

Karl Fahrner b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was a granduncle

Lydia (View posts)
Posted: 6 Feb 2006 3:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fahrner, Riefler, Samburgh, Ivy, Maynard, Sowers
I am looking for ancestral info on KARL FAHRNER b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was my granduncle. He was married to my maternal grandmother's twin sister LOIS RIEFLER b 6/16/05 in Eden, Erie Co., NY. I don't have marriage date handy. they had no children. He was an accomplished skier and businessman. Apparently he spent some time in Utah as well. When I was a kid (early 1970s) we visited their home at Cuba Lake near Erie Co, NY. was beautiful house & location. They later retired to Arizona and both are now deceased. I know he had some family (niece & nephew at least) in Germany as they were visiting from Germany same time we visited from VA. The teenage German 'cousins' did not speak English & we didn't speak German. I was very young at the time- I think the girls name was Fronie or something like that.
I am interested to find out if anyone can point me in the right direction to find out who Uncle Karl Fahrner's ancestors & family in Germany were/are.

for further reference ...
This info is from Ellis Island site: First Name: Karl Last Name: Fahrner Ethnicity: German, German
Last Place of Residence: Weiher Oberthal, Germany
Date of Arrival: Nov 16, 1924 Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Deutschland (1923) Port of Departure: Hamburg
Manifest Line Number: 0016
The actual record says he referenced, under "Whether going to join a relative or friend" column, his aunt Mary Hartenstein of Talmadge, Abeline, KS
this Ellis Island record also shows under column for place of birth that he told them Weither, Obertal, Germany.
Thanks to anyone that can help me

Re: Karl Fahrner b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was a granduncle

Posted: 27 Feb 2006 4:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Fahrner, Gaiser, Gurk
I have in my database a Karl Fahrner b. February 18, 1905 with parents Johann Georg Fahrner and Rosine Katharine Gaiser/Gaißer. They were from the Baiersbronn-Obertal, Wuerttemberg, Germany. I have other siblings but none of the other names in your post.

Re: Karl Fahrner b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was a granduncle

Posted: 24 Feb 2010 3:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi. Your Uncle Karl was a long-time buddy of my father, John Bradley. I once went skiing with the two of them in Stowe, Vermont, about 1958. I recall when Karl's German niece and nephew would visit, and the name Fronie does sound familiar, although that's about all I can say. Karl died a long time ago (early 1980's?), and Lois just a few years ago.
I think your Ellis Island information concerns a different Karl Fahrner. The story we have always understood about him is that he came to America as the alternate ski jumper on the German 1932 (Lake Placid) Olympic team. He decided to stay, and became a ski instructor at Alta in Utah about the time that resort was first developed. Eventually, but still before the war, he became an instructor at Sun Valley, and told tales of being around movie stars like Norma Shearer and Anne Southern.
In 1948, I think, he entered the Harriman Cup Races at Sun Valley, went off course, and shattered his hip on a rock or stump, ending his skiing career. My dad always thought Karl received a decent legal settlement as a result, enough to buy or set up a sawmill near Shinglehouse, Pennsylvania, which he operated until he retired in the 1970's. Shinglehouse is just across the New York border, about 20 miles from Cuba Lake.
Karl was very well known in the area, in great part for the force of his personality, but also because he was instrumental in promoting skiing in the 1940's in Western New York. Although I don't think he was ever an owner of any of the local resorts, I know he helped set up the ski jumping and downhill areas in Allegany State Park, and he was for a short time a director of Holiday Valley, which was founded by two of his close friends, William and Edna Northrup. Edna has written a book, "For the Love of Skiing," which has a few pages devoted to Karl. He was also instrumental in promoting sailboat racing on Cuba Lake, and was one of the two people who led the establishment of the Cuba lake yacht Club and the building of its grounds in 1954.
I know Karl and Lois lived in Sun City, Arizona at the time he died, but I am afraid I don't have any information about his German ancestors. Since your post here is over four years old, perhaps you have had some luck since. I hope this reaches you. If so, you can contact me directly at gcbradley@me.com

Re: Karl Fahrner b. 1905 of Oberthal, GR - He was a granduncle

Posted: 11 Nov 2012 1:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Even though my earlier post may not have been seen by you, I thought I would put this up to correct some mistakes in it. Your information about Karl's arrival in the US in 1924 is correct. That's the guy. That stay was temporary, although he started the citizenship process in 1926. He returned to Germany to be part of their 1928 Olympic team, which was at St. Moritz in France. He became a US citizen in 1931.
He was the founder of the Buffalo Ski Club, the Olean Ski Club, the Arlberg (Fish Hill) Ski Club, and the Ellicottville Ski Club, all in the early 1930's, and also led the drive to get the state to build a full-sized 66 meter ski jump in Allegany State Park, which opened in 1935.
He married Lois Reifler on July 2, 1938 in Utah, where he was getting ready to take over duties as the first director of Alta ski resort.
He suffered his major skiing accident in the Harriman Cup Race in March 1941. Sorry for the mistakes in the earlier post. I hope this reaches you.
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