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Speirs of Lochwinnoch, Kilbarchan & Paisley who moved to Beith

Speirs of Lochwinnoch, Kilbarchan & Paisley who moved to Beith

Posted: 11 Oct 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Feb 2002 3:42PM GMT
Surnames: Speirs, Mason, Gibbs, Caldwell, Sheddan
I have figured out that my GGG grandfather was probably born in Lochwinnoch or Kilbarchan, Renfrew around 1791. I do not know the name of his parents. My biggest clue is that he was somehow related to Robert Spiers whose estate went to establish the Spiers School in Beith in 1887. (I believe that he was a 1st cousin.) Robert Spiers owned a great deal of land in the Beith area. I DO have old title papers that show the ownership of this property from around 1750. From this information I have determined that the owners all came from Lochwinnoch and Kilbarchan.

According to the 1841 Beith Census, Robert Spiers was 60 years old. I also know that much of his property came from the "Caldwell" family. Putting these two pieces of information together, I believe that he was the son of Robert Speir and Jane Caldwell who were married 2 Mar 1781 in Lochwinnoch. They had a son Robert born 3 Mar 1781 in Kilbarchan. (I don't know where my GGG Grandfather was born, but most of his children were born in Beith.)

I would love information on ANY Speirs/spiers/spier or speir who have relatives that they can trace to Lochwinnoch, Kilbarchan or Paisly area in the 1750 - 1800 time period.



Also, in going through the Beith Census for 1841 and 1851, it appears that almost all of the Spiers/Speirs were from Lochwinnoch.

Connection to Caldwells

Posted: 15 Oct 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 7 Sep 2003 8:37PM GMT
Surnames: Caldwell, Shedden, Williamson, McTaggart, Hood, Clark
I am descended from the Caldwell male line to Robert Caldwell b. 1877 (their wives' maiden surnames are shown in my list).

I wonder if your Caldwell and Sheddan are the same as mine? Mine are William Caldwell m. Janet Shedden in Neilston 23 Jan 1747. They lived at Middleton. Please let me know if there is a connection from this branch to the Speirs.

Speirs, Caldwell, Shcddan of Lochwinnoch

Posted: 16 Oct 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 Feb 2002 3:42PM GMT
Surnames: Speirs, Mason
Dear Sheena,

I don't have any information other than title information from the various
property that was owed by Margaret Spiers, wife of Robert Spiers in 1870.
Most of this property was sold at that time for the purpose of establishing
the Spiers school in Beith.

I just received this information about a week ago and although I have been
able to open and read it, for some reason I have been unable to convert it
from a GIF file into a different format that I can print. I am hoping that
someone else can convert it and return it as a JPEG or someother format
that my ADOBE program can handle so I can retype it into text format. If
you would like me to send you the title records as an attachment, I would
be glad to just let me know. There is much more relating particularly to
the Sheddans in the earlier years, and then the Caldwells. My feeling is
that the Sheddans were probably from Beith, at least in the 1700s, but the
Caldwells were probably from Lochwinnoch.

The following information is only a little of what is contained in the 9
records. (Mostly information related to the Spiers/Speirs family.) I
still am far from figuring out the relationship between the various famlies
mentioned.

Please send me your Sheddan and Caldwell information if you think there is
a connection.

With Best Wishes,

Janet B Akaha
Salinas, CA
Akaha@compuserve.com

PROPERTY MARSHALLAND IN BEITH:
Ownership of Marshalland seems to date back to the late 1600s to a Thomas
Sheddan.
Ownership of Marshalland, Beith passed from a John Sheddan to a William
SPEIRS in 1773. William was "Sasine" in 1773. John Sheddan was Sasine in
1785 and 1786. It was also mentioned that William had a brother John.

PROPERTY KERSLAND MILL IN BEITH:
Kerlsand Mill passed from John Sheddan to John Spier in 1773. ( I believe
it then went to an Allan SPEIR who may have passed away in 1818 leaving a
wife and children. It is stated in Robert SPIERS bio that he purchased
Kerlsland Mill from an older brother.) Robert acquired Kersland Mill from
Alan SPIER in 1818 (however, it is also possible that this refers to Robert
Speir (born ca 1861).

PROPERTY LUGTON RIDGE:
Acquired by Robert Spier from John Kerr, Sasine in 1815. Assigned by Mary
Wilson and James Ferguson to Robert Spier in 1813.

PROPERTY CUFF:
Sasine John SHEDDAN 1740, 1757. Precept Michael CHARMICHAELL of Hosehead
in favor of Allan SHEDDAN of Cuff in 1757. Disposition by Allan SHEDDAN to
William CALDWELL 1757. 1758 disposition by Allan SHEDDAN to MATTHEW AND
JAMES GILMOUR. (Note mention of the name GILMOUR in a related family tree
below.) Matthew, James and Barbara GILMOUR to John Spiers. Thomas
CALDWELL to Robert Spiers in 1841.

The Robert Spiers mentioned above was somehow related to my family. We had
information about the Spiers school in our family album. He may have been
my GGG Grandfather's brother, but I am more inclined to think that he was
probably a cousin. The following
is a very preliminary family tree (in part based on my interpretation of
the above title information, the Old Parish Records and one LDS Ancestral
File I found) from which both Robert Spiers and my GGG Grandfather James
probably descend:

The "???" indicate that these are merely guesses that I have made, so
please don't imput this data into any kind of data base.

William SPEIRS (ca 1730 married: Janet SHEDDAN 27 May 1758 Kilmaurs

William SPEIRS (11 Feb 1859 Kilmaurs

???Allan/Alexander SPEIR (ca 1860 - 1818) (There was an Allan
SPEIR who inherited Kerland Mill from Janet, Margaret and Jacobina
CALDWELL in 1791)

(placed here because of the name SHEDDAN in title documents)

??? Robert SPEIR married: 2 Mar 1781 Lochwinnoch & Paisley - Jane CALDWELL

(placed here because of the name SHEDDAN and CALDWELL in title

documents)

Robert SPEIRS (Probably 3 Mar 1781 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew - 26 Jan 1850

Beith, Ayr )

married: 19 Apr 1811 Beith- Margaret GIBSON (1799 - 17 Feb 1870)

(Robert Spier below supposedly purchased Kersland Mill from older brother

Alexander /Allan.)

Allan SPEIRS (Circa 1812 Beith, Ayr- Before 1838)

Margaret SPEIRS (About 1814 Beith, Ayr - Before 1850)

Helen SPEIRS (About 1816 Beith, Ayr - Before 1850)

Jean SPEIRS (About 1818 Beith, Ayr - Before 1850)

Robert SPEIRS (About 1820 Beith, Ayr - 1841/1850)

(may have married a Charlotte BORLAND or DECKER

daughter of RM Borland - Sasine of Bogstone in 1846)

Robert Speir inherited "Bogstone" from RM Borland..

no marriage record in LDS OPR)

Margaret SPEIRS (1821/1825 Beith, Ayr - 1841/1850)

John SPEIRS (About 1826 Beith, Ayr - Before 1831)

Andrew SPEIRS (About 1828 Beith, Ayr - 1859)

John SPEIRS (About 1831 Beith, Ayr - 1858)

Helen SPEIRS (24 Apr 1823 Beith, Ayr - )

James Allen Wilson SPEIRS (About 1834 Beith, Ayr - 1841/1850)

Family burial plot is by the Bell Tower of the Auld Kirk Beith

John SPEIRS (5 Jan 1766 Kilmaurs

(Definitely related to Robert Spiers above)

Father of James??? SPIERS (Circa 1865 - )

These are the only parents I have found in the Old

Parish Records that had a son James born between 1786 and 1795. The

1841 census gave his age as "50". However, since James didn't name any

of his children after a Margaret, Barbara, or Elizabeth, I am inclined to

eliminate all but two. That leaves a Robert in Dalry and James with

spouse Janet Jamieson from Kilmarnock and Beith. But

James and Janet also had a second son James, so their son born in 1793

probably died before 1802.

James Spiers and Margaret Semple

- James born 26 Jan 1786 Low Church Paisley, Renfrew

William & Margaret ANDREW - James (2 Nov 1788 Tarbolton

Archibald & Barbara MOFFFAT - James (7 Mar 1890 Barony, Lanark

James SPEIR & Janet STERLING

James (23 Oct 1793 Kilmarnock, Ayr & Beith

James (3 Jul 1803 Kilmarnock

Robert Speirs & ? - James born 22 Nov 1795 Dalry

John Speir & Eliza Johnstown - James 18 Oct 1795 Lochwinnoch

(other siblings; Alexander, Johnston, Mary, Robert, Allan and Janet)

James SPEIRS (SPIERS) (1787/1791 - 1841/1851) &

m. 1811 Beith -Jean (Jane) MASON (1797 Dalry - )

Alexander SPEIRS (2 Jan 1816 Beith, Ayr - Before 1829)

John SPEIRS (bp. 11 Jan 1818 Beith, Ayr - )

m. 7 Jun 1839 Kilbirnie - Ann GIBB (Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

James SPEIRS (Jun 1839 - )

??? William SPEIRS (11 Jun 1849 Gorbals, Lanark-

William Reid SPEIRS (23 Apr 1820 Beith, Ayr - )

married: 21 Nov 1845 Kilbirnie

Agnes Smith CARMICHAL (4 Jun 1824 )

(daughter of Daniel Carmichael)

Jean SPEIRS (2 May 1847 - )

Janet SPEIRS (7 Apr 1822 Beith, Ayr - )

Robert SPEIRS (18 Jun 1824 Beith, Ayr - Bef 1851)

m. 23 Oct 1846 Kilbirnie, Ayr Katherine BARCLAY (Mar 1829 - )

Jean SPEIRS (bp. 2 May 1847 Kilbirnie, Ayr - )

James SPEIRS (11 Apr 1848) (not in 1851 census)

Robert SPEIRS (bp. 12 Aug 1850 Kilbirnie, Ayr

& Ann C. (From 1881 Census)

Robert (1872 Kilbirnie, Ayr

John (1874 Kilbirnie, Ayr

Mary (1876 Kilbirnie, Ayr

Jean SPEIRS (8 Oct 1826 Beith, Ayr - )

m. 19 Feb 1849 Kilbirnie - John CURRIE (Denningham, Kilbirnie

Daniel CURRIE (16 Dec 1849 Kilbirnie, Ayr - )

Alexander SPEIRS (12 Apr 1829 Beith, Ayr - )

Allan SPEIRS (20 May 1831 Beith, Ayr - )

Thomas SPEIRS(18 Nov 1835 Kilbirnie - 20 Dec1924 Freeport, IL )

m.1862 Detroit - Lucy HUNT (4 Jul 1837 NY - 6 Jul 1827 IN)

James Henry SPEIRS (18 Sep 1863 - Apr 1943)

Emily Sarah FLEMING (10 Jul 1868 - 14 Apr 1936)

Fredrick James SPEIRS (25 May 1891 - 21 Apr 1971)

m. Florence LOFTUS (9 Feb 1899 - 4 Oct 1999)

Lucy Jane SPEIRS (23 Mar 1920 - )

Marian GraceSPEIRS* (28 May 1921 - 1 Mar 1998)

& Stuart Jule THEOBALD

Stuart Jule Theobald BILLSTEIN

& Robert Alan BILLSTEIN

JanetLouise BILLSTEIN& Tsuneo AKAHA

Yoshio AKAHA

Mitsuko AKAHA

SuzanneRuth BILLSTEIN

Barbara BILLSTEIN & Thomas FRIDRICK

Nicole Ryan FRIDRICK

Kristin Michelle FRIDRICK

Robert A BILLSTEIN & Luanne ROBERTS

Robert Andrew (Drew) BILLSTEIN

Devin Thomas BILLSTEIN

Morgan Suzanne BILLSTEIN

Walter Abie SPEIRS* (22 Oct 1865 - 17 Dec 1949)

& Fannie J. BOVARD (1867 - 1932)

Stanley Bovard SPEIRS (8 Aug 1898 - 23 Jan 1967)

& Helen Howland EAGLESON

Francie Rue SPEIRS & FOOTE

Walter M SPEIRS (5 Oct 1900 - 6 Dec 1983)

& Ruth Eleanor DAVIS

Walter Allan SPEIRS (24 Sep 1930 - )

Nina Jean SPEIRS (5 Jun 1929 - ) & BARNHART

Walter Abie SPEIRS* (22 Oct 1865 - 17 Dec 1949)

m. Sadie ISNER (16 Sep 1877 - )

Jennie Mason SPEIRS (24 Oct 1867 - 5 Apr 1954)

& George S. ROUGHT ( - 20 Oct 1958)

Guy SPEIRS (SPIERS) (3 Oct 1870 - )

& Mary OVERBURG (IVERBURG?)

Sephrona Janet "Netty" SPEIRS* (25 Sep 1872 - 1956)

& George BRANDF

& DE FORD

Thomas SPEIRS (SPIERS) Jr. (5 Nov 1874 - 25 Apr 1892)

Ann SPEIRS (26 Aug 1841 - Before 1841)

??? son (ca 1780)

??? Thomas SPIERS (ca 1805)

Robert SPEIRS (Circa 1831 Beith, Ayr- )

(Bothwell, Lanark in 1881 Census)

James W (ca 1864 Glascow, Lanark

Robert Speirs (ca 1870 Glascow, Lanark

Edith SPEIRS (ca 1867 Glascow, Lanark

Mary SPEIRS (ca 1869 Glascow, Lanark

Maggie SPEIRS (ca 1869 Glascow, Lanark

Frederick SPEIRS (ca 1876 Glascow, Lanark

George SPEIRS (ca 1840 Tollcross,Lanark

Annie SPEIRS ( ca 1867 Braehead, Lanark

Thomas SPEIRS ( ca 1869 Braehead, Lanark

Margaret SPEIRS ( ca 1871 Braehead, Lanark

Janet SPEIRS ( ca 1873 Hamilton, Lanark

Elizabeth SPEIRS ( ca 1874 Bothwell, Lanark

Robert SPEIRS (ca 1870 Blantyre - 14 Mar 1946 Canada)

m. Blantyre, Lanark Agnes BREINGAN (1876 Blantyre,

George SPEIRS (14 Nov 1897 - 1971)

& Florence ( - 13 Jun 1994)

Robert SPEIRS (17 Jul 1922 - )

resides Cass City, Michigan

& Norma A McCONNELL

Ronald G SPEIRS

Richard D SPEIRS

Jane SPEIRS

Rodney R SPEIRS

David L SPEIRS

Rebecca SPEIRS & ZMIERSKI

(sometime after 1881 George Speirs

remarried and Robert ran away around 1883)

John SPEIRS (1899 - )

Robert SPEIRS (1901 - )

Margaret SPEIRS (1903 - )

Elizabeth SPEIRS (1910 - )

David SPEIRS (1914 - )

Thomas SPEIRS (1919 - )

(Robert SPEIRS of Cass City, MI also remembers that they are related to
Robert SPIERS of the SPIERS school in Beith. I have an e-mail for his
daughter Rebecca Zmierski and have been exchanging information)

Other families that appear to be related:
(The overall information about Alexander Speir comes from the LDS Ancestral
File)
Alexander SPEIR (About 1710 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew - ) & Mary CRAIG

Alexander SPEIR (14 Nov 1732 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew - ) & Katherine
STEWART

Robert SPEIR (1750 - )

married: ???

Alexander SPEIR* (1 Aug 1752 -Paisley, Renfrew )

married: 12 Oct 1775 Dalry, Ayr - Helen ALLAN

Robert b. 1776 Dalry, Ayr

married: Margaret GILMOUR
**NOTE that the property known as CUFF was passed from William CALDWELL TO
Matthew and James

GILMOUR... and later to John SPIERS and Robert SPIERS.

John SPEIR (3 Oct 1783 Beith, Ayr - ) & Grizal

McGILL

William SPEIR (bp. 13 Apr 1814 Beith, Ayr)

daughter ? SPEIR (29 Sep 1785 Dalry, Ayr - )

William SPEIR (14 Nov 1789 Dalry, Ayr - )

Allan SPEIR (19 Aug 1792 Dalry, Ayr - )

Elizabeth SPEIR (19 Jan 1795 Dalry, Ayr - )

Margaret SPEIR (14 Oct 1798 Dalry, Ayr - )

married: Margaret ORR (Kirktown, Renfrew

Robert Orr SPEIR (21 Aug 1796 Dalry, Ayr - ) &

Margaret (1798 - )

Alexander SPEIR (1815 Beith, Ayr - )

Mary SPEIR (20 Feb 1820 Beith, Ayr - 15 May

1903 Willard, Box Elder Utah)

& David MILLER

William MILLER (1840 - )

Margaret MILLER (1842 - )

Annie Steel MILLER (6 May 1844 - 28

Jul 1927)

David MILLER (1846 - 9 Feb 1897)

Agnes MILLER (1851 - 1854)

Mary MILLER (28 Apr 1852 - 14 Jul
1935)

Margaret SPEIR (1826 Beith, Ayr - )

Robert SPEIR (1826 Beith, Ayr - )

Ann SPEIR (1831 Beith, Ayr - )

Jean SPEIR JANE (1833 Beith, Ayr - )

Jean SPEIR JANE (1835 Beith, Ayr - )

William SPEIR (1839 Beith, Ayr - )

Agnes SPEIR (1758

Robert SPEIR (1761 Kilbarchan

Archibald SPEIR (1763 Kilbarchan

Ann SPEIR (Kilbarchan

Margaret SPEIR (1768 Kilbarchan



Robert SPEIR married Margrat CALDWELL

Janet SPEIR (6 Jul 1759 Kilbarchan

Agnes SPEIR (18 Jun 1861 Govan, Lanark

???Father of William Speirs (ca 1865

William SPEIRS (ca 1890)

married: Janet Logan Logan 28 Aug 1819

Kilbirnie, Ayr

(daughter of Robert Logan and Margaret

Houston of Kilbirnie)

William Speirs1820 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Margaret SPEIRS 1821 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Robert SPEIRS 1822 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

(inkeeper found in 1851 census with one daughter
and wife Margaret??)

Janet SPEIRS 1824 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

John SPEIRS 1825 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Jean SPEIRS 1827 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Mary SPEIRS 1828 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

William SPEIRS 1829 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

(agricultural lobourer at farm in Beith in 1851

census??)

James SPEIRS 1830 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

George SPEIRS 1832 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Allan SPEIRS 1833 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Agness SPEIRS 1836 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Agnes SPEIRS 1837 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Alexander SPEIR m. 8 Jun 1786 Lochwinnoch - Janet

JAMIESON (1766

Alexander SPEIR (11 Nov 1787 Beith, Ayr

Mary SPEIR (15 May 1791 Beith, Ayr

Mary (29 Sept 1793 Beith, Ayr

Hugh SPEIR (18 Oct 1795 Beith, Ayr

Hugh SPEIR (2 Jul 1797 Beith, Ayr

Ann SPEIR (ca 1800 Lochwinnoch

Janet SPEIR (ca 1802 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

John SPEIR (1805 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew



John SPEIR & Elizabeth Johnston

Alexander SPEIR (1 Sept 1793 Lochwinnoch

James SPEIR (18 Oct 1795 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Johnston SPEIR (4 Feb 1798 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

m. Janet Brown 21 Mar 1829 Lochwinnoch

Mary SPEIR (4 Feb 1798 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Mary SPEIR (3 Aug 1800 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

Robert SPEIR (2 Jan 1803 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

???Allan SPEIR (9 Jun 1805 Lochwinnoch - after 1851

prob Beith)

???m. Elizabeth Stevenson (ca 1811 - bef 1851

Beith)

John SPEIRS (1834 Lochwinnoch

Allan SPEIRS (22 Apr 1838 Lochwinnoch

Elizabeth SPEIRS (1836 Beith, Ayr

Robert SPEIRS (20 Jun 1841 Beith, Ayr

Andrew SPEIRS (1846 Beith

Janet SPEIR (9 Jun 1805 Lochwinnoch, Renfrew

James SPEIR ( - before 1851) & Jane Peebbles

Robert SPEIR (ca 1840 Dalry

James SPEIR (ca 1844 Dalry

(1851 Beith - w/ grandfather Robert PATRICK (ca 1776 Dalry - retired land
steward & landholder w/ Robert SPEIR)

Gilbert SPEIRS married Janet LACHLAND 13 Jun 1846

Beith, Ayr

daughter of James LACHLAND of Beith

Allan SPIERS (ca 1846 Beith

Re: Speirs, Caldwell, Shcddan of Lochwinnoch

Posted: 1 Feb 2002 3:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 17 Aug 2003 5:44AM GMT
Surnames: SPEIRS/SPIERS
Hi, I have just been browsing thru the Speirs names and one of your Speirs relations is of interest to me as I have several from my family with the same middle name.
You have a Robert REID Speirs (Beith,Ayr)
Do you know anything about this middle name.?
My Reid name and Speirs name that I have is from the marriage of : Elizabeth REID and Archibald SPEIRS. She was from Rutherglen and Archibald from around Barony. Married in Rutherglen early 1800s. Several of their children who had families added the REID into their childrens names. hense the interest in your Robert.
I think I may have some sort of connection to Speirs in Ayrshire but havent sorted out the connection yet. Maybe you can help.
Kind regards Lorraine Levien

Re: Speirs, Caldwell, Shcddan of Lochwinnoch

Janet Akaha (View posts)
Posted: 1 Feb 2002 3:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
I suspect that the REID middle name for William probably came from a family surname.... probably the maternal or paternal grandmother's maiden name. Unfortutely, I am stumped at James and can't go back another generation, although I do have some leads and strongly feel that they were originally from Renfrewshire. I don't have any additional information on William, other than his wife's name and his two children. Haven't been able to trace him forward yet.

Janet Akaha
jbakaha@cs.com

Here are the generations surrounding William Reid Speirs:


James SPEIRS (SPIERS) (About 1787/1791 - 1841/1851) & Jean (Jane) MASON (About 1797 - )
.....Alexander SPEIRS (2 Jan 1816 Beith, Ayreshire - Before 1829)
.....John SPEIRS (1818 Beith, Ayreshire - ) & Ann GIBB
.....James SPEIRS (Jun 1839 - )
..... William SPEIRS (1825 Kilbirnie, Ayreshrire - )
......William Reid SPEIRS (23 Apr 1820 Beith, Ayreshire - ) & Agnes Smith CARMICHAL ..................(Circa 1824 - )
..... ........Jean SPEIRS (1847 - )
.............William SPEIRS (1849 - )
.....Janet SPEIRS (7 Apr 1822 Beith, Ayreshire - )
..... Robert SPEIRS (18 Jun 1824 - Before 1851) & Katherine BARCLAY (Circa 1828 - )
...............Jean SPEIRS (1847 - )
.............. James SPEIRS (11 Apr 1848 - Before 1861)
..............Robert SPEIRS (1850 - )
.....Jean SPEIRS (8 Oct 1826 Beith, Ayreshire - ) & John CURRIE
...............Daniel CURRIE (16 Dec 1849 - )
.....Alexander SPEIRS (12 Apr 1829 Beith, Ayreshire - )
.....Allan SPEIRS (20 May 1831 - )
.....Thomas SPEIRS (SPIERS) (18 Nov 1835 Kilbirnie, Ayreshire - 20 Dec 1924 Effingham, .................IL) married: Lucy Jane HUNT (4 Jul 1837 NY - 6 Jul 1827 Castleton, IN)
..............James H SPEIRS (18 Sep 1863 Detroit, MI - Apr 1943 Toledo, OH )
......................married: Emily S FLEMING (10 Jul 1868 MO - 14 Apr 1936 MI)
.......................Fredrick James SPEIRS (25 May 1891 MI - 21 Apr 1971 Toledo, OH)
.......................Married: Florence LOFTUS (9 Feb 1899 Toledo, OH - 4 Oct 1999 ............................Perrysburg, OH)
................Walter Abie SPEIRS* (22 Oct 1865 IL- 17 Dec 1949) & Fannie J. BOVARD ...................(1867 - 1932)
........................Stanley Bovard SPEIRS (8 Aug 1898 - 23 Jan 1967) & Helen Howland .............................EAGLESON
........................Walter M SPEIRS (5 Oct 1900 - 6 Dec 1983) & Ruth Eleanor DAVIS
................Walter Abie SPEIRS* (22 Oct 1865 - 17 Dec 1949)
....................& Sadie ISNER (16 Sep 1877 - )
................Jennie Mason SPEIRS (24 Oct 1867 Effingham, IL - 5 Apr 1954 CA)
...................Married: George S. ROUGHT ( - 20 Oct 1958)
...............Guy SPEIRS (SPIERS) (3 Oct 1870 Effingham, IL - ) & Mary OVERBURG ......................(IVERBURG?)
...............Sephrona Janet SPEIRS* (25 Sep 1872 Effingham, IL - 2 Mar 1956) & George ........................BRANDF 2nd marriage: DE FORD
...............Thomas SPEIRS (SPIERS) Jr. (5 Nov 1874 Effingham, IL - 25 Apr 1892 ...................Effingham, IL)
James SPEIRS (1839/1840 Kilbirnie, Ayreshrire - )
Ann SPEIRS (26 Aug 1841 Kilbirnie, Ayreshrire - Before 1841)

Re: Speirs of Lochwinnoch, Kilbarchan & Paisley who moved to Beith

Posted: 4 Jun 2002 6:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have just read your message on Ancestry.com

I've not been doing this long

but...

my gg grandfather Robert SPEIRS b. 1841? (residence Torry, parish of Rigg) married my gg grandmother Elizabeth Leask 10 Jan 1870 parish of Gilconstone?

he had a previous wife Catherine Ferguson m. 13 Jul 1866 parish of Kilmarnock, she died from TB Alexandria, parish of Bouhill (my gg grandfathers name for this is registered as Robert SPIERS residence Victoria St, Govan)

my ggg grandfather was Thomas SPEARS

they were both blacksmiths/journeyman

dont know if this helps

any info would be hugely appreciated

Re: Speirs of Lochwinnoch, Kilbarchan & Paisley who moved to Beith

Posted: 4 Jun 2002 11:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Mar 2003 7:35PM GMT
checked my data and your names don't mathch any of mine. Interestingly, my Thomas Speirs (GG Grandfather) was a blacksmith in Illinois. He was born in Kilbirnie, Ayershire.

Re: Connection to Caldwells

Posted: 22 Jun 2005 1:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Jun 2005 2:50PM GMT
Surnames: Caldwell; Gibson
My GGG aunt was Margaret Spier (Gibson) born 1791.
Does anyone have any information what happened to her brother Gavin's daughter (niece) Margaret and her husband (John Caldwell) after they went to Canada? I know where and when Margaret was buried but have no details on John who was born in 1824.

Re: Connection to Caldwells

Posted: 22 Jun 2005 3:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Spier, Speirs, Caldwell, Sheddan
I do have the names of the children of John Caldwell and Margaret Wilson Gibson. They immigrated to London Ontario Canada aournd 1873 and he was separated from Margaret when he died around 1893/1894. Contact me privately at Akaha@compuserve.com and I can give you the e-mail address of an offspring.

If you are descended from Margaret Gibson Spier, that must mean you are descended from Robert Spier of the Spier school. My great great grandfather was James Spier b. ca 1787 in Beith(or possibly Kilmarnock)
and it was passed down through our family (name changed to Speirs) that we are related to Robert Spier. My research has been a dead end in trying to locate offspring or figure out the exact connection. I have documents that show the ownership of Robert Spiers various properties and am trying to figure out the Sheddan, Caldwell connections. I would love to share information.

Re: Connection to Caldwells

Posted: 22 Jun 2005 3:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: spier, speirs
sorry, I put the wrong e-mail address in the last post. contact me at Akaha@comcast.net
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