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Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Jim W. Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 22 Oct 2001 4:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Oct 2001 6:12PM GMT
Surnames: Baker, Whitaker, Arnold, Warren, Brush, , Boone, Cutbirth, Tompkins, Griffin, Davis,
Dear Researchers:

The following is circumstantial evidence which I strongly suspect proves that Andrew Baker, b. 1770/5, NC of 1820 Pulaski & 1830 & 1840 Laurel Cos. are one and the same. And that Larkin Baker, b. 1794/5, NC is his son.

Ancestors Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker & family were recorded in the 1810 Pulaski Census & then next recorded in the 1830 & 1840 Laurel Co., KY census.

Suspected Andrew Baker & family are recorded in the 1820 Pulaski census.

Ancestors Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker & *John & Mary Baker Whitaker were recorded as adj. neighbors of Andrew Baker in 1830 & Laurel Co., KY. Ancestors Giles, Margaret Whitaker & Andrew Baker are still recorded as adj. neighbors in 1840 Laurel Co.

*Ancestor John Whitaker was s/o Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker?

Mathew & * Martha Baker Warren are adj. neighbors of ancestors John & Mary Baker in 1840 & 1850 Pulaski.

*Martha Baker Warren, d/o Andrew Baker, married Mathew Warren, 20 Jan. 1816, Pulaksi Co., KY

Ancestors John & Mary Baker Whitaker & family got recorded in both the1850 Laurel Co census & 1850 Pulaski census.

Martha Baker Warren, is adj. neighbor of Fielding Warren, age 34, in 1860 Pulaski & that same Fielding Warren, age 43 is adj. neighbor of Andrew & Lydia Baker, 1870 Rockcastle.

Ancestors John & Mary Baker Whitaker are also recorded as adj. neighbors of ancestors James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold in the 1840 Pulaski census.

Ancestors James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold named a son Andrew, b. 1818 & a son Larkin, b. 1824.

Larkin Baker, b. c1794 married Elizabeth Brush, 6 Jul. 1815.

Andrew Baker & a William Brush are recorded as adj. neighbors in the 1820 Pulaski census

Andrew & Lydia Baker named a son Larkin Baker.

The odds are in favor of Andrew Baker in Carter Co. being the Andrew, Sr. or Jr. of Wilkes Co., NC because Benjamin Cutbirth, Sr. & Jr. of Wilkes Co., NC are also in Carter Co... Benjamin Cutbirth was a great friend of Andrew's father John "Renta" Baker and Daniel Boone... John Baker named one of his sons Cutbirth Baker.

Mordecai, Solomon & Hezekiah Boone are also in Carter Co., TN.

Carter Co., TN Land Deeds:
A:432, 433. 18 Feb 1802. Benjamin Cutbirth to Benjamin Tompkins for $167, 152 A, in Laurel Fk of Holston R, adj Lewis Wills & Dunlaps. Daniel Cutbirth & David Waggoner. Prvd May Court 1803.

jwdw note: Benjamin Tompkins is my 4GGF and his son my 3GGF Eli Tompkins migrated to Laurel Co., KY.

A:402,493. 2 Oct. 1802. John Brown, Wils Co., NC, to Andrew Baker, for L40 VA money, 400A. Fitzgerall Br of Roans Crk adj Jacob Faugh (Vaugh/t?), Davids Carters, John Vaught.....

A:434. 9 May 1803. Conrade (X) Storm to Benjamin Tompkins for $ 333, 100A, on S Fk Coobs Crk of Watuga R. Alexr Doran & Godfrey Carriger Jr. Prvd May Court 1803.

B:224 20 Feb 1809. Andrew Baker to William Davis, Ashe Co., NC, for $300, 102 1/2 A, on Fitzgerald Br. Roans Crk, adj Benjamin McNeal. James Parsons, John (X) Baker & Squire (X) Griffen. Prvd Aug Court 1809.

A:464,465. 19 jan 1804. Andrew Baker to William Griffin for L40, 100 A, Fitzgerald Br, adj Fains & Bakers. John Macay, Jurat & Wm McCutchin. Pvd Feb Court 1804.

A:465, 466. 13 feb 1804. Joseph (+++) Wilson to Solomon Griffin for $400, 50 A, of 200 A, NC grant to William Wilson, Laurel Fk of Holston R & adj Benjamin Cutbirth, John McElyea & Benjamin Cutbirth, Jr. Godfrey Carriger Jr., John Henson & Richard (X) Estes. Prvd Feb Court 1804.

C:49,50. 13 Aug 1813. Andrew Baker to William Davis for $200. 110 A. adj land Davis bought from Joel Dancy, known as Fitzgeralds Flat. Larkin Baker, James Davis & Thos. (T) Stout. Prvd May Court 1815.

Any inforrmation regarding any of the above would be "greatfully" appreciated. Best regards, Jim


Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Jim W. Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 24 Oct 2001 12:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Baker, Whitaker, Arnold, Storm, Trosper, Warren, McHargue, Mahan, Mills, Barnard, Camper, Harrison, Cutbirth
1820 Pulaski Census:

Andrew Baker, age 45+
Female, age, 16 u 18
3 Females, age, 10 u 16
*1 Male, age, 10 u 16
3 Males, age, 0 u 10
2 Females, age, 0 u 10
jwdw note: Hannah would've been about 31 years old.
*Was this James Baker m. Nancy Camper, 1827?

Any information regarding the above families would be "greatfully" appreciated. Thanks. Best regards, Jim (drew2020@aol.com)

1830 Laurel Co. Census

Andrew Baker, age 50 to 60 (abt. same PCK)
Female, age, 40 to 50 (wife Hannah)
2 Females, age 15 to 20
1 Male, age 15 to 20
1 Male, age 10 to 15
1 Female, age 10 to 15
2 Males, age 8 to 10
jwdw note: All except wife Hannah fits 1820 PCK census when you consider the marriages of children in ten years time.
There's a young James Baker, age 20 to 30; adj. household.

1840 Laurel Co. Census

Andrew Baker, age 60 t0 70
Female, age 50 to 60
1 Female, age 20 to 30
2 males, age 15 to 20
jwdw note: There's a young Jesse P. Baker, age 20 to 30; adj. household.

Storms & Trospers are nearby neighbors.

(1.) In 1830 Laurel Co., John & Mary Baker Whitaker, are recorded as adj. neighbors of Andrew & Hannah Baker (2.) In 1840 Laurel Co. Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker, (John's parents) are recorded as adj. neighbors of Andrew & Hannah Baker (3.) In 1840 Pulaski Co., John & Mary Baker Whitaker, are recorded as adj. neighbors of *Matthew & Martha Baker Warren (Martha's marriage license recorded Andrew Baker as being her father). (4.) In 1850 Pulaski Co. John & Mary Baker Whitaker are recorded adj. Andrew & Cynthia Storm Arnold (households 497 & 498). Widow Martha Baker Warren is in household #493. (5.) John & Mary Baker Whitaker are also recorded in the 1850 Laurel Co., KY census in household #455. John's brother James & his wife Mary Ann "Polly" Whitaker are in household # 457, Smith & Nancy Trosper Baker are in #461 & Hannah Baker in #462 & Boling & Catherine Trosper Baker in #463. (6.) Martha Baker Warren, b. 1800/1, TN & son Fielding Warren are adj. neighbors in 1860 Pulaski & Fielding Warren & Andrew Baker, b. 13 Oct. 1802, TN are adj. neighbors in 1870 Rockcastle Co., KY.

1. Martha Baker m. Matthew Warren, 20 Jan. 1816, PCK
(jwdw note: There was a Rev. Matthew Warren in LCK)
2. James Baker m. Nancy Camper, 12 Oct. 1827 *Matthew Warren bondsman
3.John Whitaker m. Mary Baker, 24 Aug. 1824 PCK
4. Sidney Arnold m. Mills Whitaker, 21 Jul 1824 PCK
5. James Whitaker m. Mary Ann "Polly" Baker, 24 Nov. 1840 LCK
6. Sarah Arnold m. William Storm, 24 Jan. 1841, LCK
7. Andrew Arnold m. Cynthia Storm, 19 Nov. 1840, LCK
8. William Arnold m. Anna Storm, 24 Jan. 1841, LCK
9. Delia Storm Trosper m. William Whitaker, 28 Oct. 1854, LCK
10. Bolin Baker m. *Catherine Trosper, 18 Nov. 1838
11. Smith Baker m. *Nancy Trosper, 12 Oct. 1843
12. **James Whitaker m. Mary Arnold, 3 Apr. 1826, PCK
(jwdw note: Sisters *Catherine & *Nancy Trosper were sisters-in-law of Delia Storm Trosper Whitaker. **This James Whitaker was s/o William & Prudence Whitaker)

Sidney, Mary, Andrew & William Arnold were all children of James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold.

*Delia, William, Anna and Cynthia Storm were all children of James & Sarah McHargue Storm.

*Delia Storm Trosper m/2 William Whitaker s/o John & Mary Baker Whitaker.

Catherine & Nancy Trosper Baker were sisters and daughters of (4GGPs) James & Eleanor Mahan Trosper, Sr.

John, Mills & *James Whitaker were all children of Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker.
*This James Whitaker (s/o Giles & Margaret Mills? Whitaker) married Mary Ann "Polly" Baker d/o Andrew & Hannah Baker.

Bolin Baker & Mary Ann "Polly" Baker were children of Andrew & Hannah Baker.

Andrew & Hannah Baker's daughter *Ulfany Baker married James Barnard,
2 May 1833, (4GGF) Rev. James Storm presided over their marriage.

*Maybe, Ulfany was named after her aunt Iffie Baker Harrison? Iffie sounds like it could've been a nickname for Ulfany ;-).

John Renta Baker continued to live in Wilkes County until about 1790 or 1791. At which time he, and his old hunting companion Benjamin Cutbirth, with their families moved to Carter County, Tennessee. John Renta lived here for six or seven years before moving to Hawkins County, Tennessee. He remained there only a short time. In about 1798 he moved into the Blackwater Settlement in Lee County, virginia. In 1801 John Renta moved to what was to become Clay County, Kentucky. He died in 1830 and in all probability, is buried in the Cortland Cemetery in Owsley County, Kentucky. This Cemetery is located on Cortland Creek a tributary of Buffalo Creek.

Any information on these families would be "greatfully" appreciated. Thanks. Best regards, Jim








Mary Baker Whitaker, b. c. 1804, KY/TN (Baker Notes Continued)

Jim W. Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 26 Oct 2001 7:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Baker, Whitaker, Arnold, Warren, Lovins, Campbell, Morgan, Sidebottom, Storm, Lloyd, Mills, Laws, Hargis, Jones, Shackleford, Boyd, Camper
Baker research notes continued:

1820 Pulaski Census: Recorded in Andrew Baker's household are3 Females (daughters?) age 16-26.

jwdw note: A study of Andrew Baker's location in 1820 Pulaski needs to be done.

My "G-Uncle" Beasley Hollingsworth migrated from Wilkes Co., NC is Andrew's adj. neighbor.

Beasley, m/1 unknown c. 1807, m/2 Martha (?), 10 Oct. 1850, Clay Co., KY.

Excerpt from cousin Betty Hollandsworth Jackson's book "The Holly Tree" published 2000: ' He (Beasley) arrived in Clay Co., KY at least by 1809, likely passing through the Cumberland gap and following the wilderness Road into that part of Kentucky. By 1821 Beasley had acquired a land grant of 50 acres on Little Clifty Creek in Pulaski Co., KY.

1830 Laurel Co. Census: Recorded in John Whitaker's household 1 Female (wife Mary) age 20 to 30.
Household is adj. Andrew Baker, (young) *James Baker & Giles Whitaker. James Baker is almost certainly s/o Andrew Baker but curiously I've never seen a genealogy for this Andrew Baker having a son James.

jwdw note: 1830 Pulaski Co. census Mathew & Martha Baker Warren are very close neighbors of James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold

1840 Pulaski Co census recorded in John Whitaker's household 1 Female (wife Mary) age 30 u 40.
Household is adj. Mathew & (wife Martha Baker) Warren's & James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold are very close neighbors,

1850 Laurel Co. Census (household #455) recorded her age as 44 born TN.
James & Mary Baker Whitaker & (also Matriarch Margaret (Mills?) Whitaker, age 71, b. NC) are in household #457, Smith Baker in household #461, Hannah Baker, in household #462 and Boling Baker in household #463.

1850 Pulaski Co. Census (household #497) recorded her age as 45 born KY.
Martha Baker Warren in household #493, Giles Whitaker (s/o Mills & Sidney Arnold Whitaker) in household #495 and Andy & Cynthia Storm Arnold in household #498 (Sidney Arnold & Andy Arnold were children of James & Elizabeth Baker Arnold.

*jwdw note: Cynthia Storm d/o *James & Sarah McHargue Storm. Andrew Arnold & Cynthia Storm, married, 11/19/1840, in Laurel Co., KY. The Bakers, Whitakers & Storms were close neighbors in 1840 Laurel Co., KY.
James Storm, b. 28 Aug. 1786, in Botecourt Co., VA and his family migrated to Carter Co., TN when he was a boy. His mother Mary Lloyd Storm died in Carter Co., TN in Jan. 1798. His father John Storm soon m/2 Anna Parsons, Feb. 1798, Carter Co., TN.

John "Renta" Baker & family were also in Carter Co., TN during this time.

1860 Pulaski Co. Census recorded Mary's age as 58, born KY.

In the 1880 Pulaski census her daughters Cynthia Whitaker Campbell & Mahala Whitaker Sidebottom had recorded their mother was born in KY, but her son Solomon Whitaker had recorded his mother was born in TN. From what I've studied I strongly suspect that "Great-Grandmother" Mary Baker Whitaker had been born in Tennessee.


It's pretty well known that a man's 2nd wife back in those days often named a daughter after her mother or sister even if she had a step-daughter of the same first name. I believe this to be the case with Andrew Baker's 2nd wife Hannah.

further notes:

I'm convinced that our Elizabeth Baker Arnold, b. 1787, NC, was related to Martha Baker Warren, Andrew Baker, b. 12 Oct. 1802 of Rockcastle & Larkin Baker, b. 1794/5, and I'm back to believing our Mary Baker Whitaker, b. c. 1804 w/o John Whitaker was also.

Martha Baker Warren, b. 1801 & Andrew Baker, b. 1802 were almost certainly sister & brother. I'll always be suspicious of our Mary Baker Whitaker but my gut feeling tells me she's more apart of these Bakers then the the Maryland Baker clan.

The *James Baker m. Nancy Camper, 12 Oct. 1827, fits the profile of the James Baker adj. neighbor of Andrew Baker of 1830 Laurel Co. .... There was a Moses Camper in Laurel Co.

*I strongly suspect that he was marriage bondsman for ancestors John & Mary Baker Whitaker. ***** (5 star suspicion)

Mathew & Martha Baker Warren's son Fielding Warren was an adj. neighbor of Andrew Baker, b. 12 Oct. 1802 of 1870 Rockcastle. A Rev. Mathew Warren presided over a few marriages in Laurel Co.

1820 thru 1860 Pulaski Censuses & 1799-1850 Pulaski Marriages lead me to suspect the following and that our Mary Baker Whitaker isn't apart of their clan:

John Baker (Sr.?) (age over 45), I suspect had sons, John, (Jr.?) b. 1800, NC, m. Mahala Laws, (1821) *James, m. Anny Hargis, (1820) & Stephen Baker, m. Mary Renels, (1822) of Pulaski. There are no females of a daughter's age in his 1820 household.

There's a John Baker who was a marriage bondsman for **Nancy Baker m. John Shackleford; 25 Oct. 1825 (John Shackleford was of Casey Co., KY) & he was marriage bondsman for Sarah Baker m. David Jones; 22 Mar. 1830. Sarah's mother is Polly Baker. David & Sarah Baker Jones are adj. neigbors of Peter Baker in 1830 Pulaski.

*This James doesn't fit the profile of being ancestors John & Mary Baker Whitaker's marriage bondsman. In fact he makes you suspect more strongly that Andrew Baker's son James was their marriage bondsman.

William Baker, (Sr.?) Baker, I suspect had a son who was the William, (Jr.?), b. c.1802, KY m. Mary Boyd d/o Giles Boyd s/o Samuel & Polly Whitaker Boyd. This William, (Sr.?) had a daughter, b. 1802/4 about the age of our Mary Baker Whitaker. Why wasn't William Baker, Jr. our Mary's marriage bondsman. Very weak suspcion.

In 1830 a younger William Baker continues to have the same neighbors elder William had in 1820.

There's a Polly Baker (adj. neighbor William Baker) of 1820 who had 3 young sons & 2 young daughters, one daughter about the age of our ancestor Mary Baker Whitaker.

Polly Baker, age 16 u 26 (can't be mother Polly but this is what census says eldest female's age is)
1 Female, age 16 u 18
*1 Female, age 10 u 16
**2 Males, age 10 u 16
1 male, age 0 u 10

*Nancy Baker m. John Shackleford fits the age of Polly Baker's daughter about the age of our Mary Baker Whitaker.

**jwdw note: One of these males could've been a James Baker who was bondsman for ancestors John & Mary Baker Whitaker but this is a very weak suspicion because the two James Bakers, b. I804/10, of 1820 Pulaski households (James Baker s/o Andrew and James s/o John) are accounted for. But I do strongly suspect that one of these males in Polly's household was Peter Baker m. Jenny Jones, 1821. Peter's marriage bond says mother was Mary Baker. I suspect Peleg (Peter) Baker taxpayer of 1799 Pulaski was related to Indimeon Baker who was definitely a descendant of Maurice Baker A. A. Co., MD.

Because I strongly suspect that Elder John, William & Polly Baker of 1820 Pulaski were closely related I believe they were descendants of Maurice Baker of A. A. Co., MD.

Given all the Circumstantial evidence it's most likely that ancestor Mary Baker Whitaker was the d/o Andrew Baker and unknown wife before Hannah (?).

For a few moments at least I can't help but believe that our Mary was in Pulaski in 1820 and that she was in Andrew Baker's 1820 household.

1820 Pulaski Census:

Andrew Baker, age 45+
Female, age, 16 u 18 (???)
*3 Females, age, 10 u 16
**1 Male, age, 10 u 16
3 Males, age, 0 u 10
2 Females, age, 0 u 10

jwdw Notes: *One of these females I strongly suspect was ancestor Mary Baker Whitaker, born 1802/6.

**This is almost certainly James Baker m. Nancy Camper, 1827 and the James Baker who was marriage bondsman for John & Mary Baker Whitaker and adj. neighbor in the 1830 Laurel Co., KY census.

another jwdw note:

Ancestor Malinda Whitaker Morgan Lovins d/o John & Mary Baker Whitaker m/2 Joseph Lovins who was s/o Joshua, (b. c.1810) & Nancy Burdin Loven, m. 13 Jul 1836 PCK. Joshua s/o Isaac Lovin/g/s. Ancestors Daniel & Malinda Whitaker Morgan named their 3rd son Andrew Morgan who I supect was a namesake for Malinda's maternal grandfather.

In Judge Littell's Storm family history he writes, 'on file in Rockcastle, Kentucky, made 3 Apr 1852 before Thomas Smith, justice of the peace, in which James Arnold stated that he was, "67 years old last February (b. Feb. 1775)." Lovins was then a resident of Laurel Co., KY and the two had previously resided in Rockingham Co., NC.

Isaac Loving in 1850 Laurel Co. is recorded as being 86 years old (Rev. War Vet.). In 1830 Laurel Co., census Isaac, Nimrod & Joshua Loving are adj. neighbors.

Ancestor Sidney Arnold Whitaker (wife of Henry? Mills Whitaker) and her sister Mary Arnold Whitaker, (wife of James Harvey Whitaker) were born in Tennessee. Need to find out where in Tennessee.

1850 Pulaski Census
Mary (Arnold) Whitaker, age 42, (1808) born TN

1860 Pulaski Census
Mary (Arnold) Whitaker, age 51, (1809) born TN
jwdw note: Mary's & Sidney's parents, James, (age 75, b. TN) & Elizabeth (Baker...age 73, b. NC) Arnold are living with her.
Sidney (Arnold) Whitaker age, age 52, (1808) born TN

1870 Pulaski Census
Mary (Arnold) Whitaker, age 62, (1808) b.TN
Sidney (Arnold) Whitaker, age 59, (1811) b. TN

Update: Suspected Children of Andrew Baker (1765-1841)

Jim W. Drew-Whitaker (View posts)
Posted: 28 Oct 2001 7:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Baker, Arnold, Brush, Warren, Davis, Camper, Barnett, Whitaker, Dees, Barnard, Smith, Trosper, Mullins

Elizabeth Baker m. James Arnold
Larkin Baker m. Elizabeth Brush
Martha Baker m. Mathew Warren
Andrew Baker, Jr. m. Lydia Davis
James Baker m. Nancy Camper
Jesse Baker m. Elizabeth Barnett
Mary Baker m. John Whitaker
Eleanor Baker m. William Dees
Ufamy/Ufany Baker m. James Barnard
Polly Baker m. James Whitaker (brother of John above)
Martha "Patsy" Baker? m. John Smith
Smith Baker m. Nancy Trosper
John Boling Baker m/1 Catherine Trosper m/2 Elizabeth Walters Mullins


Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Posted: 9 Jul 2006 4:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
I'm trying to locate the parents of Elizabeth Baker (b. May 1844) who married John Storm(s) (b. Dec. 1843). They were married on Oct. 3, 1867 in Laurel County, KY. The 1900 census shows that her parents were born in North Carolina. When I searched for possible matches, the only one that came up was Andrew Jackson Baker and his wife Nancy. I saw several trees on ancestry.com that say the Baker's were of Cherokee ancestry.
Any idea if this Andrew J. Baker is the correct father of Elizabeth?

Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Cosetta (View posts)
Posted: 9 Jul 2006 6:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Some time ago I saw a posting that listed Elizabeth b.1844 and Andrew Jackson Baker b.1836, Knox Co., d.1917 in Madison Co., as being the children of Thompson Baker and Nancy Henderson. This post also said that Elizabeth married John Storm and Andrew married Esther Storm, both children of Isaac Storm and Margaret Clark. Esther was b. 1844, she married A.J. Baker on 24 Nov.1864 in Laurel Co.

Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

W. Johnson (View posts)
Posted: 9 Jul 2006 7:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Andrew Baker's wife was NOT named Nancy. Her name was Hannah and she is listed on the 1850 census of Laurel Co., Ky. living between two sons, Smith and Bolin.

Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Posted: 10 Jul 2006 5:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
Sorry... I thought the census record I saw showed a wife named Nancy. Apparently, I must have misread it. My apologies.

Re: Andrew Baker & Family of Wilkes Co., NC, Carter Co., TN & Pulaski, Laurel & Rockcastle Cos., KY

Posted: 10 Jul 2006 5:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
I'll have to do more research on my Baker line and see what I find. I try to go by actual documents so I know my tree is correct, but sometimes it's so hard to do, as I'm sure you know. I always thought her parents were Thompson Baker and Nancy Henderson, so I'll try that pair first and see what pans out. Thanks for the info! :-)
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