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AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 19 Oct 2011 7:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: EBERHARDT
EARLIER THIS YEAR I POSTED HERE THAT I WAS SEARCHING FOR MY GRANDFATHER'S MILITARY RECORD (BORN 1880 IN PERNAU/PORNO ). HE TOLD ME AS A YOUNG BOY THAT HE WAS IN THE A-H CAVALARY. I GAVE UP MY SEARCH DOUBTING THE TRUTH OF WHAT I HEARD BACK THEN. LAST WEEK I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM A PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN COUSIN WHO HAD TRANSCRIBED AN ORAL DESCRIPTION BY HER GRANDFATHER WHO AS A YOUNG BOY REMEMBERED IN DETAIL MY GRANDFATHER IN HIS HUSSAR UNIFORM. SO MY MEMORY IS VALIDATED. I'VE SEARCHED SEVERAL SOURCES INCL WREDE'S BOOK AND AS NEAR AS I CAN TELL NO HUSSAR UNIT RECRUITED IN VAS COUNTY.HUSSAR#11,#9 & #5 IN PRESSBURG ARE NEAREST. THE CLOSEST RECRUITING OF ANY KIND IS IR 83 IN STEINAMANGER. I DID SEE IN WREDE'S BOOK THAT HUSSAR #5 HAD A RELATIONSHIP TO IR48 IN SOPRON. SO HOW DO I BEST DETERMINE WHICH HUSSARS HE SERVED IN?

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 1:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Oct 2011 1:30PM GMT

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 1:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
It is somewhat difficult to determine the recruitment districts of cavalry regiments. The best method is to determine which infantry regiments the cavalry unit would have been associated with. Infantry regiments 48 and 83 both recruited in Vas county after 1883. As you indicate, HR5 was associated with IR48. So, that would be my guess as to your grandfather's regiment. HR9 recruited there much earlier (late 1700s)but not when your grandfather would have served.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure how you are going to validate which regiment he served in because I believe all the records for Hungarian army units for that period of time have been destroyed.
CK

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 2:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
THANK YOU..YES IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A CHOICE BETWEEN HR11 OR HR5. BOTH RECRUITING FROM PRESSBURG? THAT'S WHAT I SEE. I WAS ALSO HOPING THAT HIS UNIFORM DESCRIPTION MIGHT ALSO HELP. SO IN 1905 IT IS "HE WAS IN FULL UNIFORM WITH THE BLUE PANTS, SHORT BLACK BOOTS, RED COAT BOTH FULLY DECORATED WITH 'SCHNICKLE SCHNOCKLES', AND WITH A BLACK CAPE. HE HAD A BLACK SHAKO ON HIS HEAD, AND AT HIS SIDE WAS A SABER...I WAS TERRIFIED". ALSO I NOW KNOW HE LEFT SERVICE SHORLY THEREAFTER (OCT 1905), AND I HAVE READ THAT HR SERVICE WAS LONGER...I'VE READ IT WAS 4 YRS, 5YRS OR EVEN 7 TO 8 YRS..WHICH WAS IT?

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 3:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the information about his uniform. I checked the Militar-Schematismus for 1903 but none of the Hussar regiments had red coats or black shakos at that time. So, I wonder if he could have been a hussar in the honved instead of the joint army (kuk)? I don't know of any reference for honved uniforms that you could check.

By the way, it does look like HR9 was back in Sopron in the 1900s. So, I take back what I said earlier.

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 3:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
well when i got the transsciption from my cousin i thought it was a "genealogical miracle" indicating that god and my gradfather wanted him "found". and i thought the uniform description would nail it down. now it looks more complicated! if the uniform doesn't match any kuk outfit, then we have to assume it was hungarian honved seems to me. are you aware of any info on honved hussars?

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 4:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
If you Google "Honved Hussar Uniforms" you will find some information about them. But in the examples I saw, the honved hussars had red paints. The kuk hussars had blue paints but none of them had red coats. So, I'm totally baffled with the description of your grandfather's uniform.

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 8:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
WELL JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THE ONE DESCRIBING IS 4 YRS OLD AT THE TIME HE SAW HIM AND 75 YRS OLD WHEN HE TELLS THE STORY...ALTHOUGH IN ALL OTHER RESPECTS THE DETAIL HE REMEMBERS IS AMAZING....STILL I HAVE TO WONDER IF THE COLORS GOT MIXED UP OVER 70+ YRS.

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 8:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
That would make sense that the uniform colors got messed up. But I think that you still do not know if he was in the kuk or the ku.
My grandfather was also a Hussar. He served in 1896 in HR6 and when he came to America, he used his military discharge booklet as a "passport" to leave Hungary. I have his booklet.
It proved that he had completed his military obligations and could leave the country. Any chance that one of your relatives has your grandfather's military booklet? He would have likely used it like my grandfather did.
CK

Re: AUSTRIAN-HUNGARIAN HUSSARS

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 9:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
NO....THE DESCRIPTION I GAVE IS ALL THAT I HAVE..
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