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thomas charles whatley where is he?

thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 19 Oct 2013 10:22AM GMT
Classification: Census
am looking for thomas charles whatley born i think 1878 st saviour southwark london 1d 57.

have found him in the 1901 census i think as thomas c whatley married to louisa in 1896 (bayly?)

in the 1911 census as thomas c whatley as son not head but i think this is incorrect look at wife and daughters names)

have got marriage cert for louise a(alice) whatley married in 1919 and father is still alive on that.

have found christings for louise alice in 1905 and at the same time one the same page one for thomas charles whatley (is this her father washing his sins away!!!!!!?)

where is thomas charles in 1881 ( i have the census for then am not sure if it is the correct person as he is not using first name?)
any ideas???
kind regards
robert

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 19 Oct 2013 5:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Oct 2013 10:07PM GMT
marriage details

Name: Thomas Charles Whalley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Louisa Barley
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Feb 1896
Parish: Bermondsey St Anne
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Thomas Charles Whalley Printer
Register Type: Parish Register
witnesses Alice Emma WHATLEY and Alfred Walter BAYLY and Louisa's father Alfred BAYLY occ Waterman


1891 England Census about Thomas C Whatley
Name: Thomas C Whatley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas C Whatley
Mother's Name: Alice E Whatley
Gender: Male
Where born: Walworth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: Trinity Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 353
Folio: 43
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas C Whatley 31
Alice E Whatley 32
Thomas C Whatley 14
Alice E Whatley 9
Florence E Whatley 7
Annie J Whatley 5

PS. The 14 year old Thomas in 1911 looks like son of Thomas C and Louisa....registered St Saviour March quarter 1898 and he is 3 year old grandson in 1901 with Thomas C and Alice E

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 20 Oct 2013 8:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
hi
many thanks sumi48
i had the 1891 census but i could not tie in the mother but with you finding the mammiage cert it all fits now many thanks for that.
do you think that this is him below in 1871 as ths second name initals of both mother and father are incorrect? but i did notice that the father was an ink maker which would fit in with the printing.
Name: Thomas E. Whatley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Thomas E. Whatley
Mother: Alice S. Whatley
Gender: Male
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 22 Castle Street
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration District: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 522
Folio: 40
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Somerville 23
Mary Jane Somerville 23
Alfred Somerville 5
E.J. Somerville 2
Caroline Somerville 1
Thomas E. Whatley 21
Alice S. Whatley 22
Thomas E. Whatley 3
George John Whatley
James Nixon 61
Alice Nixon 59
once again many thanks
robert

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 20 Oct 2013 9:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Oct 2013 9:30AM GMT
Hi Robert, yes I do think that is the family ...in 1881 not 1871....and the middle initials have been mistransribed (very fussy handwriting)

This looks like baptism of Thos C born 1878 and sister Alice Emma in 1882

Name: Thomas Charles Watley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1878
Father's Name: Thomas Charles Watley
Mother's Name: Alice Emma Watley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers



Name: Alice Emma Whatley
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1882
Father's Name: Thomas Charles Whatley
Mother's Name: Alice Emma Whatley
Parish or Poor Law Union: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

The 1881 census looks like a family group. Alice NIXON born Manchester is Alice Emma's mother and James NIXON her brother. Edward Francis SOMERVILLE married Mary Jane NIXON registered St Saviour 1877.

marriage of James NIXON senior to Alice ISHERWOOD in Manchester in 1841. All the men are Hatters

Name: Alice Isherwood
Age: Of Full Age
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1841
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name: John Isherwood
Spouse's Name: James Niscon
Spouse's Age: Of Full Age
Spouse's Father's Name: Henry Niscon

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 20 Oct 2013 1:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
hi
thanks again
the only query i have now is the 1911 census
this i assume is the father of thomas born in 1877 in the 1911 census

Name: Thomas Charles Whatley
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 103 Abbeville Rd, Clapham Sw
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: TRAVELLER
Registration District: Wandsworth
Registration District Number: 26
Sub-registration District: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 2274
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Charles Whatley 57
Alice Whatley 52
Ann Jane Whatley 25

this i assume is the wife of thomas born in 1877 with their son? i assumed it was an error on the part of his wife when doing the census but in fact its their son and not the head of the house Thomas 1877)

Name: Louise Whatley
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 28 Trident St, Rotherhithe S E
Marital Status: Married
Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey)
Registration District Number: 24
Sub-registration District: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 1940
Household Members:
Name Age
Louise Whatley 32
Thomas E Whatley 13
Violet Maud Whatley 14
Louise Alice Whatley 11

so where do you think thomas has gone who was born in 1877, louises husband? she is not a widower according to the census return and she has put married next to the "sons" name in the census as well?
kind reghards
robert

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 20 Oct 2013 4:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, that certainly looks like the right family in 1911. TC senior occ Traveller and the original page says in Printing. Maybe TC jnr was in the same line and away from home in 1911 but I can't find him on the census.

The 1923 Electoral register for Wandsworth at 103 Abbeville Rd has Thomas C snr, Alice Emma, Thoma C son and Thomas C grandson plus Nellie May.

TC snr of 103 Abbeville Rd died 16 April 1935 probate to Thomas Charles Whatley newspaper printer and Daniel Smith grocer £3,068.

Sue

Re: thomas charles whatley where is he?

Posted: 21 Oct 2013 4:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
hi sumi48

many thanks you have been a great help
i will be posting another problem that i need solving in the next few days that i have been trying to solve for about 18 months and about 50 pounds for certificates on him!!! regarding a relation of mine called william campbell smith who would appear to a bit of a rogue. i am like a dog with a bone on this one. if you like a challange then this might be it. its only a marriage certificate!!!!

again many thanks
robert
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