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SCOPER & CARROLL

Kathryn Mutchler-Lee (View posts)
Posted: 22 Apr 1999 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SCOPER, CARROLL, THIGPEN, MARTIN, BAKER, PITTMAN
I am working on my husband's ancestry and am seeking information about Joseph SCOPER and Mary Jane CARROLL who married 17 Apr 1876 in Hancock Co., MS.

Joseph was supposedly born cir 1842 in Genoa, Italy. I don't know when he came to the U.S. before 1876, or if he came with family or alone (I've seen the name Gasporine SCOPAS, wife of Andrew Jackson LOTT, though, so suspect a link there -- maybe a sister?). Family lore has that the original surname was SCOPERNITCH?

All I know about Mary Jane CARROLL's ancestry is that her mother was a THIGPEN, who married her (CARROLL) father first and had (at least) Mary Jane cir 1859, and boys Tom & John. ____ THIGPEN then reportedly married a BAKER, and had a son Charlie BAKER. Then ____ THIGPEN married a PITTMAN and reportedly had a son named Clem PITTMAN cir 1871.

Mary Jane CARROLL was "of" Pearlington, Hancock Co., MS, and died cir 1887 in Lake Charles, LA. She & Joseph SCOPER had at least 2 children: Rebecca Virginia SCOPER (20 Feb 1879 - 19 Feb 1973) and a son (I don't know his name) who supposedly "worked the bridge in Pearlington," Hancock Co., MS.

The daughter Rebecca Virginia SCOPER married John Berry MARTIN (27 Apr 1876 - 22 Feb 1952) probably sometime between 1899 & 1902 in Hancock Co., and had 6 children: Cecil Eddie, Mabel Louise, James Monroe, Clinton W., Hayes F. & Willard.

Some of my info is undocumented -- just family stories so far. Hopefully someone can help fill out these families! :-) Am eager to trade info on these lines.

Scoper&Carroll

Posted: 28 May 1999 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jul 2001 9:49AM GMT
Surnames: Scoper, Carroll, Telhiard, Mauffrey, Cuevas, Bontemps
My grandfather was Joseph Travis Scoper. His mother Mary Carroll died in a plague. Supposedly other siblings died also. My mother Eunice Scoper Telhiard, His only daughter has a Memoriam booklet from her funeral stating Mary's mother had volunteered to raise the 2 children; Granpa and Aunt Becky. We think Joseph R. Scopinich came from Scandanavia, even though the name sounds more Polish or eastern European. He was a sailor and left on a ship from Genoa. He illegally jumped ship when they got to Mississippi. He changed his name since he was an illegal alien. When his wife, Mary died he could not stay with his children because he was a sailor and, or heartbroken over his loss. That's the last I can tell you of Joe Scopinich. Joseph Travis Scoper married Arthemise Caroline Mauffrey. Her father was Casimir Mauffrey, a Mississippi calvaryman during the War between the States. Her mother was Armontine Cuevas. They had 6 children;my Mama; Elmer, and Joseph, both merchant seaman. Vincent and Clarence and Thomas, also a seaman. Granpa carried merchandise to New Orleans by boat and was the bridgetender at Pearlington for awhile. He spent his last years at his home on the bayou in Pass Christian, Harrison County Mississippi. Mama grew up there. As grandchildren we visited and got to use the skiffs that Granpa rented to fishermen. Granpa was born 3/1/1882 in Pearlington and died 3/24/66. Granma was born 9/20/1882 in Fenton and died 7 months after Granpa, 10/19/66, of a broken heart after well over 50 years of Marriage. They are buried with her folks in Rotten Bayou Cemetary near Fenton. It is now called St. Joseph Cemetary. Their home was destroyed in Hurricane Camille. This is not the Gospel but as close to the story as I can get. I hope it helps. If anybody comes across these people I am trying to research, let me know please. My paternal great-grandfather David Bontemps of Bay St. Louis,Hancock County Mississippi. I think he was in law enforcement. His wife was Leontine Hau. The Cuevas family of Armontine Cuevas. Casimir Mauffrey, the Confederate soldier who lived until around 1920. Anything on any Telhiard in the U.S. as we are all related since only one Telhiard family came to New Orleans in the late 1880's from France. Another name variation, I think it was spelled Teilard. My paternal great-grandparents Raoul Louis and Marie Alice Telhiard had more than one child and lived in Bay St. Louis. Their son, Marcel Leon Telhiard married Ida Bontemps and had 3 children, Yvette, Marcelite, and my Daddy, David Bontemps Telhiard. He and Eunice Armontine Scoper had 11 children of whom I am the youngest. Thank you.

Scoper@Carroll

Posted: 2 Jun 1999 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jul 2001 9:49AM GMT
Just a little note to correct a couple of mistakes. Joseph Travis Scoper was the bridgetender at Pass Christian on Bayou Potash(sp.) within sight of his home. Also I think Teilhard is the correct spelling of my last name. Like Teilhard de Chardin, the theologian. Hancock County Harrison County

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Posted: 4 Feb 2002 4:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 Aug 2003 12:56PM GMT
Tilt! Joseph R. Scopinich was NOT Scandanavian....The name is one of the MOST common on the Croatian island of Mali Losinj (off the coast of the old Yugoslavia in the Adriatic Sea.). These people belonged to the Austro-Hungarian Empire prior to WW I. LDS has filmed the vital records for Mali Losinj and you can view them here in a Family History Center. Most of the islanders were "seafarers" and many sailed back and forth to the U.S. regularly. Depending on the date, Joseph would have been Austrian, Italian, Yugoslav...but the "Luccianos" always knew who they were. Conquerors come and conquerors go....they just changed flags and the spelling of their names for awhile but they always reverted to their "ICH" names (which just means "son"). I have some Scopinich connections but, since it was a LARGE clan, so does everyone else on that little island!

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Posted: 31 May 2002 6:46AM GMT
I am interested in the name Bontemps. My ggg grandmother was Harriet Bontemps and I believe she lived in Hancock county, MS. She married Mathias Longren from Sweden and had my gg grandmother Martha Elizabeth Longren who in turn married Joseph Fabian Cazeneuve in 1878. Any information would be helpful.

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Ruth M. Campbell (View posts)
Posted: 29 Aug 2002 1:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Regarding your message in re Harriet Bontemps, which included the names Joseph Fabian Cazeneuve and Mathias Longren. Joseph Fabian Cazeneuve was my grandfather and Martha Longren (originally Lundegren) was my grandmother. Harriet Bontemps was not married to Mathias Longren, she was married to Jean Bernard Cazeneuve. Mathias Longren was married to Cornelia Cameron Longren, the parents of Martha Longren and eight sons, two of whom were killed in the Civil War. My information comes from an old family bible. I have more information if I receive a reply to this post.

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Kathleen Hestilow (View posts)
Posted: 29 Aug 2002 3:19AM GMT
You are correct. When I later reviewed my query, I realized I had confused the generations and people. I guess I shouldn't be doing this at 1:00 in the morning! I just couldn't figure out how to fix it. I think I have the same info from the same bible. After doing some more research however, I have found that Mathias Longren was a Swedish sailor who jumped ship and changed his name to Green. His wife was PERMILLIA Cameron, not Cornelia. Understandable how the name was written wrong in the bible. I am descended from J.F.'s daughter, Mabel Victoria (my g-grandmother) who married Robert Loog. Robert's daughter, Martha Loog Lilly is who we got a copy of the bible records from and her brother, Joseph Fabian Cazeneuve Loog, was my "Paw-Paw". I understand, though, that Uncle Red destroyed all the photos and records when Aunt Martha died. I also have a copy of a letter written by J.F.'s daughter, Ruth to My g-uncle Andrew Loog's wife describing family and events. I would be delighted to further our sharing of information. I despaired of ever finding more on the Cazeneuves!

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Ruth M. Campbell (View posts)
Posted: 29 Aug 2002 5:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
We are definitely members of the same extended family. The Loog twins are cousins of mine. Aunt Mabel was one of my aunts, one of my father's sisters. I was named after my father's (Joseph Evariste Cazeneuve) sister, Ruth.

If you would like to continue information via e-mail, we can do that. It's easier than going through this geneology mess.
Incidentally, Harriet Bontemps Cazeneuve and Jean Bernard Cazeneuve were my great grandparents. There's a family story that my Dad told me that I wonder if you are familiar with, and that is that the original name was Caze, a Norwegian family name, a family who owned a shipbuilding business in Oslo, Norway, and the neuve was added when Jean Bernard was sent to France to open a branch of the business.

I went to the geneology boards once to locate Joseph Cazeneuves and found there was over 700 of them living in France alone. There's some in California, and I forget where else. Either the story about the Caze and neuve being joined into one name is not true or someone in our ancestry was very prolific or very frisky.

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Posted: 1 Nov 2002 4:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bontemps, Capdepon
Hi Rick:

I was wondering if you had any information on the family of your great-grandfather, David Bontemps. I believe he is related to my Bontemps relatives in Bay Saint Louis. My ggg-grandmother was Harriett Bontemps. She had a sister named Flore ( who married Charles Capdepon) and I think her father was Jaques. I'm leaning towards the thought that your David's father and Jaques were brothers, but don't have anything concrete. Do you know the names and pertinent dates of David (DW) Bontemps' parents? This family has been very difficult to gather information on. I would appreciate any information you could provide.

Re: Scoper&Carroll

Mary Lilly (View posts)
Posted: 8 Feb 2006 7:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
My in-laws were J.R.Lilly and Martha Loog Lilly.
Martha's parents were Robert Loog and Mabel Cazeneuve Loog.
Looking for any information on the Loogs or Cazeneuve's.
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