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Jim Wygand (View posts)
Posted: 9 Aug 1999 3:18PM GMT
If this is your surname and you live in the Archbald/Scranton/Lackawanna County area we may be related. I'm looking for family. Please send me an e-mail with background family info. My great-great-grandfather came from Ireland in 1839, landed in NY and then moved to Archbald, Pa. His name was William. He had a son, Michael and a daughter, Julia.

Thanks for any help you might offer.

Dougher surname

Posted: 5 Sep 1999 9:22PM GMT
Edited: 21 Aug 2002 9:02PM GMT
My name is Jamie (James) Dougher. I'm
originally from Archbald and have been
doing my own research of the Dougher
Family in Archbald, PA.

If your gg grandfather was born in/around
1815 (Ireland), married Bridget ? born
around 1820 and had three children:
Thomas (b. 1845), Julia (b. 1852), and
Michael (b. 1858), I might be able to
help you with some things.

If this is your gg grandfather, I believe
he six other brothers: John (m. Ann ?),
Patrick (m. Bridget), Martin (m. Bridget),
Anthony (m. Mary Flynn), Charles (m Margaret),
and Francis. Their mother was Elizabeth ?
born in 1794.

Patrick would be my ggg grandfather.

I'm not sure where they entered the US...
NYC, Philly, etc. I'd be interested
in talking to you to find out what you
might know.

Family tradition suggests that they
came from Co. Mayo (but maybe Sligo).
Based on my research, they were in
Carbondale, PA no later than 1846
and moved to Archbald as one of the
first group of settlers in 1847/8.

Please write...I have more info
and suggestions on where you can
find more info if this isn't your
family.

Jamie Dougher
Archbald, PA

Dougher surname

James Dougher (View posts)
Posted: 9 Sep 1999 1:01PM GMT
Jamie,

Many thanks for your response to my bulletin board listing for contacts re the Dougher surname. My gg grandfather was William Dougher, born 1815 in Co. Sligo (most probably Castleconnor parish which lies both in Sligo and Mayo counties). His wife was Bridget and our records show only two children: Julia and Michael. However, my grandfather was named Thomas (perhaps in honour of someone deceased). My research (National Archives in Wash. DC) has so far indicated that a William Dougher arrived in New York in October, 1839 on a Liverpool ship. It is not clear to me whether the ship was named “Liverpool” or it was one of several emigrant ships which used Liverpool as the port of original embarkation. (Note that many, many emigrant ships were chartered from Liverpool from the 1830’s through the famine years). William was 25 at the time of his arrival and was classified as a laborer. His personal data match the records data we have on his age, etc. so I have presumed he is the same guy.

Last year I went to Ireland (Sligo) to look for references to the Dougher surname and managed a couple of “hits”. I found 1824-26 tithe records for two Doughers and I will forward copies of the records once you have sent me a mailing address. (They are quite faint, but can be read). I don’t have my file with me at this writing so I cannot be sure of the names but one of the references is to a Thomas Dougher, the other may be a Patrick (but I am not sure). The references were for properties inside Castleconnor parish and it is not clear from the maps I saw if they were inside the Sligo side or the Mayo side of the county borders. There is a later reference to a Patrick Dougher in the Griffith’s Valuation (much later in time, I think about 1850) living in Bohernasop townland (actually a street in Ballina). He was renting a house and a yard from a person whose name I have in my files. He did not own the property.

I have given only a cursory glance to the Pennsylvania census data but I did find references to the Doughers in the 1870 census and was able to locate Bridget (widowed) who was living at home with Julia and Michael.

Family lore combined with the census data indicate to me that the Doughers in the Archbald area are all part of the same group and may have descended from the brothers you mention in your e-mail. However, the National Archives show only one adult William arriving in New York between 1820 and 1840. I found one other reference and I will check my files for the name but he was much younger. Perhaps William was the first to go and sent for his brothers/cousins, etc.

Interestingly, after the Griffith’s Valuation record I have not been able to find any other Doughers in either Mayo or Sligo, indicating that most probably all of the male members of the family left Ireland sometime just before or during the Great Famine. (Note that economic and living conditions in County Mayo were “beyond dismal” in the 1830s and 1840’s).

The above is only a cursory view of the information I have gathered. I plan another trip to Ireland in February, 2000 when I will check first on the Liverpool passenger registries during the late summer/early fall of 1839 both in London and in Ballina harbor (where I think William boarded the ship to the USA). I will probably return via NY and head up to Archbald/Scranton to check the archives in the Lackawanna Co. area to see what I can find there. (FYI, Michael Dougher, William’s son was killed by a train after what appears to have been a “night on the town” in 1899. There is a registry of the accident in the local newspaper because he left a widow and about 10 children. Michael was about 40 years old when he died.) I also have information on his marriage in Archbald to one Mary McNulty from Co. Mayo and will forward that to you as well.

In connection with my family search, I have done a great deal of reading on the history of Irish emigration, the famine, and land problems especially in the West. Well before the Great Famine, there had been several poor harvests of potatoes—e.g. 1830, 1832, and 1834—and one of the hardest hit was the Mayo area. Simultaneously, Mayo landowners were consolidating land to raise cattle and were engaging in “landlord-assisted emigration” (a kind of “here is your ticket, now get the hell out!” invitation to live elsewhere). I have some references I am planning to check when in Ireland which might indicate if the Doughers had been part of this first wave of emigrants to have been “helped out the door” by their landlords. (I think I know on what estate they worked and who was the local lord who owned it. He was known for his “decisive measures” to move tenants to the USA and those who refused sometimes were reported as “missing”. In fact he was cited in several inquests in English Parliament). Mayo was a hotbed of agitation against landlords and the Doughers might have been “in the way”, so to speak.

I have also received reports that the Doughers were contracted by the Hudson Coal Company to work in the mines in Archbald and that the contract may have been negotiated in Ireland and their passage paid by the company. I think you might find some records on that matter in the Lackawanna Co. Historical Society in Scranton.

For your additional information, Joseph (Jobey) Dougher, son of Michael and grandson of William, was a communist labour agitator in Lackawanna Co. during the early 1900Â’s. His death was reported in the local papers (sometime in the 1970Â’s I think, IÂ’ll find the reference for you). He died in Archbald. I expect that there would be a good deal of newspaper references to him in the area. He later left for California but was always active in the US communist party and was even interviewed in a documentary film called Harlan County, USA.

If you live in Archbald or nearby, I have a second or third cousin there named Gerald (Gerry) Dougher who is the grandson of the youngest (Edward) of the 10 children orphaned by Michael and Mary McNulty Dougher (she died a year after Michael). Gerry and I were in frequent contact via the “net” until my address changed and I was temporarily out of the “loop”.

Over the next couple of weeks, I will put together a narrative of what I have uncovered both in the USA and in Ireland. I have pleasantly surprised at the amount of data that can actually be uncovered with a systematic approach and I have little doubt that because of the unusual spelling, the Dougher family will eventually show up in my search in Ireland. Your reference to an Elizabeth as the matriarch (b. ca. 1794 is interesting and if you have additional data, I will search for her when I go to Ireland in February.

Since my e-mail does not specify any address, please be advised that I live and work in Brazil. However, I travel often to the USA and to the UK on business. I will be in the Wash. DC area in late October/early November and you can reach me at Control Risks Group, 703-893-0083 (MacLean VA). IÂ’ll send you additional contact data as my travel date approaches and if you would like to hook up in Archbald some time in February, that might be useful to our efforts. (I know thatÂ’s a terrible time to go to the Archbald/Scranton area and itÂ’s not so great in Western Ireland either, but itÂ’s the only time I have available).

My mailing address (office) is: Jim Wygand, Control Risks Group-Southern Cone, Av. L. C. Berrini, 1500, Suite 41, São Paulo, SP Brazil 04571-011. Telephone: 55-11-5505-2163, Fax: 55-11-5505-4296.

I look forward to receiving your mailing address soon. I will then send you some copies of what I have in my files (including a rudimentary family tree with other names for your reference).

Best regards and thanks for your response.

Jim Wygand

(PS: My grandfather always said “no matter where you go in this world, you’ll find an Archbald buck.” I’ll pour myself a shot of Jameson tonight in honour of your search and to bring you luck.

Dougher surname

Posted: 9 Sep 1999 5:26PM GMT
Edited: 21 Aug 2002 9:02PM GMT
Jim!

this is a wonderful suprise!!

I am actually in grad school in Wash DC...
When you're in the Reston area, I'd like
to get together with you and trade some
more info. You have obviously done
a lot of research yourself.

My email address is:
mrdo2@juno.com or jdougher@theologicalcollege.org

my address is:
Jamie Dougher
Theological College
401 Michigan Ave, NE
Wash DC 20017

I have copies of the 1860 census
from Blakely Township, which encompassed
Archbald proper at that time. According
to it William Dougher was 45 years old
and listed as a Day Laborer. He was
married to Bridget who was 40 years old
and they had three children: Thomas 15
years old, Julia 8 years old, and
Michael 2 years old. According to the
census report, both William and Bridget
were born in Ireland. No date of
immigration is given though.

As an aside: I was only able to find
one Dougher reference in the Carbondale/
Blakely area in 1840. His name was Thomas
and he was a miner. The report only
lists him specifically and indicates
that there are four members of the household.
One male between 20 and 30 years old. One
female between 20 and 30 years old. One
female between 10 and 15. And one female
under 5 years old.

From my research this summer, there are
a couple of invalualbe places for info:
the Carbondale Library which has Carbondale
newspapers on microfilm from the mid 1850s.
They also have an Archbald paper, the Archbald
Citizen on microfilm from 1898 ? till the
1920s. There's a wealth of info in
there is you know the specific dates you're
looking for.

Also the Scranton Public Library, downtown,
has all the census reports for the area
on microfilm.

And the Mormons have a place in Clarks
Summit with even more microfilm.

St. Rose of Lima Roman Catholic Church
in Carbondale has all of the early church
records available. St. Thomas Aquinas
Church in Archbald has a good deal of
record starting around 1863 although
some were destroyed for whatever reason.

Also another helpful research tool
was a book put out in 1976 celebrating
Archbald's centenial. It's a wealth
of knowledge of the local history and
gives a list of the early pioneers of
Archbald on page 37. According to it
Thomas Dougher came in 1846 as one
of the first settlers. Anthony, Frank
John, Martin, and Patrick Dougher all
came a year later in 1847. Also in the
book on page 36 is a map of Archbald Boro
(Blakely Township) from 1873. I have
found Patrick Dougher's residence listed
around the corner of Pike St. and Cherry
Street.

My conjecture is that they were all
brothers, born relatively close
to each other, and according to the
census material, living mostly next
to each other (1850 and 1860 census).

In the 1850 census, you have to look
closely for the family. First, Archbald
was still part of Blakely Township.
But more so, the census taker mispelled
the name. For John Dougher, it's spelled
John "Ougher" or "Dugher...can't quite tell.
For the others it's spelled "Daker" or
"Doker" or "Doher" Again it's hard to
read the handwriting.

Assuming that they were all brothers, in
the 1860 census Martin Dougher and his
wife, Bridget, are living with a 66
year old woman listed as Elizabeth ".

I assume that is Martin's mother and
noth Bridget's since the last name
is still listed as Dougher. ???

From William and Bridget, again, I have
Thomas, Julia, and Michael. I assume
you descend from Michael (and Mary
McNulty) and one of their 10 children??

Michae's brother, Thomas, was born around
1845/48 and married Ann ? I believe
they lived on Wayne Street in Archbald
and had four children:

William (b. oct 1871)
Julia L. (b. 1878 or 1884 and d. 3/26/1965)
she was a nurse in WWI and is burried in the
St. Thomas Cemetery.
Edward (b. april 1880) - had three children:
Fredrick, Eward, and Catherine.
Harry (b. 1885 d. 1/21/1927) married Margaret
Connor and had 8 children: Mary Margaret,
Thomas, Joseph, Paul (married Dorothy O'Connor),
Rita Loretta, Rose Mary, Ann Teresa, Joan Loretta.

Paul Dorothy O'Connor's daughter Dorothy Dougher Jones
live down the street from my parents on Poplar St.

I've been trying to piece together other
pieces of the Dougher family in Archbald
from family stories, local neighbors,
grave markings, census reports, etc. It
gets hard though because the Dougher
family from #5 Hill is quite large and
the names start repeating!

Any way....write some more. Again I nor
my father know where or when the Doughers
came in to the USA or where exactly
they came from in Mayo or Sligo. I've
only seen a few instances on the Web
of Dougher's and I think it was in
a listing someone did of the castle
you mentioned. I have a friend who
has 2nd cousins still in Mayo and
he asked them if there were any
Doughers left there and they said
yes...around Crossmolina, 10-15 miles
west of Ballina.

Also, have you come across other
spellings (ie Doher or Dooher). It
seems fairly consistent here in
the Carbondale and Blakely censuses
that it was spelled Dougher, however
there was one census where they spelled
it Doher (maybe phonetically).

How do you pronounce it also?? DO-ER
(Dewar) or DOW-ER. There's a piece
of my family in NJ that's been removed
from the area and they began pronouncing
it DOWer....

Anyway, keep in touch!!!
and let me know when you'll be in the
Wash DC area.

dougher

Posted: 4 Oct 1999 7:51PM GMT
Edited: 25 Nov 2003 11:44AM GMT
hello fellow dougher researchers here is a quick skeleton of my branch of the doughers. my kin are all from the hughestown/ pittston area of luzerne county.
1 john dougher b 1830 d ?
mary ? b 1835 d bef 1880
2 patrick dougher b 1856 d ?
mary ann jiloran b 1859 d ?
2 catherine dougher b 1858 d bef 1870
2 john dougher b jun 1860 d 12 oct 1934
susan gallagher b 1870 d 18 apr 1935
2 thomas dougher b 12 may 1865 d7 nov 1935
sarah healey b may 1865 d 2 feb 1924
2 mary b 12 nov 1868 d ?
second wife of john dougher:
1 hanora jennings b 1843 d ?
2 ann dougher b 4 dec 1876 d 12 oct 1966
michael golden b ? d bef 1909
2 michael dougher b27 nov 1879 d19 jun1948
anna connors b 1883 d 21 mar 1920
1 ellen dougher
? keough

Dougher Family

Posted: 16 Oct 1999 10:28PM GMT
Edited: 5 Aug 2001 3:28AM GMT
I have not been able to offically connect with the Penna Doughers but I do believe there is a connection. I stop very quickly with my gggrandfather Michael dob1855 unknow place dod 1908 Akron,OH who had a brother John in Salem Oh and a sister Mary (Dougher)Stevich of Cleveland OH. If you have any info as to some Doughers that got away from Penna please let me know.

Dougher

Jim Wygand (View posts)
Posted: 22 Oct 1999 9:01AM GMT
Robert Dougher:

I might be able to tell you something about the Doughers that left the Penna region after I have had a chance to do some more research in Ireland. I am trying to find out how many Doughers acutally left and where they wound up in North America.

If you have any information as to Irish origins of family, please let me know. As nearly as I can determine, the entire family comes only from the border region separating Counties Sligo and Mayo.

Dougher

Jim Wygand (View posts)
Posted: 22 Oct 1999 9:10AM GMT
Joe:

Do you have any information as to the Irish roots of the Doughers? I am going to Ireland to do some research in Co. Mayo during the of February (2000). Since you seem to have family that arrived in the USA as early as 1830 and who settled in the PA anthracite region, you might be able to provide some leads as to when the first Doughers arrived in the USA.

Thanks in advance for whatever information you can provide.

Regards,

Jim Wygand

Dougherty/McNulty

Patricia Kinney (View posts)
Posted: 11 Dec 1999 7:57AM GMT
Dear James:
Wondering if you can help me find some
information on both of my great-grandmothers.
Both from the county Mayo. Mary Dougherty
left Ireland and arrived in NY to marry my
grandfather John Curley. They lived in
Brooklyn, NY during the 1880's. I would
like to know who Mary's parents were if that
is possible. I only know her name, nothing
more. What may make this possible is the
McNulty connection. That is my other great
grandmother Ann McNulty who never left Ireland.
She married Patrick Kenny and they raised
their family in Mayo. I have their history
since 1850-1870 era but again nothing before.
If you can help me out with anything on
either of their families, it will be most
appreciated. The regional information is
quite like your own. They lived in Mayo,
Swinford, Kiltimagh. Thanks, Tricia at
e-mail: 112734.3520@Compuserve.com

dougher?

James Dougher (View posts)
Posted: 11 Dec 1999 5:04PM GMT
are you looking for information on
DOUGHER

or

DOUGHERTY??
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