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How to find someone who crossed border?

How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 21 Oct 2010 1:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnson, Storie
I need help finding a place to start looking. My great grandmother immigrated to Watertown, NY somewhere around 1901-1903.
I am not sure if it was before or after she was married.
She was included in the 1901 Canadian census in her father's household.
She disappeared somewhere around 1920, so it is very hard to find anything on her anyway.
If anyone could give me an idea of where to start to look for immigration records, I would be greatful!
Elizabeth Johnson b. 15 Feb 1882
married 18 Sep 1903
Elmer Royal Storie b. 17 July 1881

Re: How to find someone who crossed border? (JOHNSON, STORIE)

Posted: 21 Oct 2010 10:59AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnson, Storie
Hello,

I cannot help with Immigration Records. But, out of curiousity, I checked the 1900 census for the US, and found out there were 51 Elizabeth JOHNSON's that year, just in NY State.

And I know that the Fort Drum Army Base is in or near Watertown, NY, so I just went to find a description of the City of Watertown:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watertown_(city),_New_York

You didn't mention whether you had already looked for the STORIE couple in the 1910 and 1920 US census. Had they possibly moved to Canada? The Canadian census records are available for 1911.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

Board Administrator


Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 21 Oct 2010 11:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Storie, Johnson
Hi again,

I find this Elmer STORIE in Jefferson Co., NY, in 1910. Is this your Elmer? It says his wife is Sarah, both born NY, and they have 3 children and had been married for 14 yrs.

STORIE, ELMER S (1910 U.S. Census)
NEW YORK , JEFFERSON, ANTWERP
Age: 39, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NY
Series: T624 Roll: 953 Page: 121

Oh, that appears to be a different couple, as in 1920, they are still in Antwerp. I find this family in Watertown in 1920:

STORIE, ELMER (1920 U.S. Census)
NEW YORK , JEFFERSON, 10-WD WATERTOWN
Age: 38, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NY
Series: T625 Roll: 1117 Page: 145

As you say, Elmer's wife is not mentioned. But, their 3 children with with him, all school age, a son and 2 daughters. It says Elmer is married (not a widower).

I can't check the 1930 census, but maybe others can.

Oops. Here's a Mrs. Elizabeth STORIE in Watertown, but living as a boarder with another family. It says she is married.

STORIE, ELIZABETH (1920 U.S. Census)
NEW YORK , JEFFERSON, 10-WD WATERTOWN
Age: 37, Female, Race: WHITE, Born: NY
Series: T625 Roll: 1117 Page: 144

If Elmer and Elizabeth (separated) were still living in Watertown, NY, in the 1930 census, there is the small possibility they remained there. Perhaps there are death records for them at the Watertown City Clerk's office.

If they lived long lives, have you checked the SSDI for them? (SSDI is also at www.rootsweb.com)

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)


(The STORIE name is mentioned many times in NY State on the SSDI.)




Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 21 Oct 2010 11:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Elmer has Elizabeth listed as relative on his WWI reg card, Sept 1918
1910 living with mother Sarah, says he's married 7 years, mother Sarah is 51 married 32 years had two children one died.
1920 has him three kids no wife....but says married Floyd 15, Anechea 9, and fern 6
1930 has him living with Floyd 25 Irene 20 Floyd 1 and Elmer r 48 a D appears where the m for married would be...i suspect he was divorced.
Elizabeth could have died after Fern was born or left him and the kids....did she go back to canada? she could have been using her maiden name after she left him. Do you have any further info to proceed.

Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 22 Oct 2010 2:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Storie, Johnson
Thank you Betty for all your help!
I do have that information about Elmer, Elizabeth and the children. In the 1920 census, 2 of their boys were in the agricultural school near Rochester, NY. I am guessing with his wife gone, Elmer could not handle all 5 of the children alone.
I thought that maybe if I could figure out how the immigration records worked- where they are located, how I would go about finding them, etc. I would be able to see when she first came to NY, and if she ever crossed back.
If she wanted it kept a secret back then, she could easily have crossed at the thousand islands, a simple thing to do by boat.

Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 22 Oct 2010 2:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, I have all this information. They were divorced in 1925(I have a separate post asking how to find divorce records)
If she went back to Canada, her family hid her well. According to them, no one there ever heard from her again.
I would just like to try to find out if she crossed back over the Canadian border between 1920-1930, then I will start searching police records and asylums.
Thank you for your help!

Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 22 Oct 2010 10:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Do you know who her parents were and her siblings....searching for them may make your life easier. I will go back to the border crossings and see if i find anything but if I knew her family that may be helpful, sometimes it indicates where the person was goingand to see whom. Also was she an "indian" Native of canada or what was her heritage. Irish, welsh, etc. This may help me.

Re: How to find someone who crossed border?

Posted: 23 Oct 2010 1:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Johnson, Storie
Thank you, thank you!
Elizabeth Johnson b. 15 Feb 1882
Parents: Thomas Johns(t)on and Sarah Amelia Alguire(or Amelia Sarah) all of Finch, Ontario, Canada
Siblings:
Laura, Jacob, Simeon, Maud, Maggie, Isabella Grace, Sarah, Mary Catherine, and Bertha. Most stayed in Canada, but Isabella Grace, and Elizabeth immigrated, Grace to California, Elizabeth to Watertown, NY. I feel sure she went somewhere between 1901 and 1903, as she is shown in the 1901 Canadian census and was married in 1903.
Mother's family was mostly or all German, Father's family was either Irish or Scots, I am still trying to determine that.
Johnson was used interchangeably with Johnston and sometimes Johnstone.
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