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Posted: 2 Apr 2010 8:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Wardle, Charlesworth, Peace, Lizer, Goeringer
I'm looking for more information on Clara Lena Goeringer. Here is what I have on her so far:

Husband: Arthur William Lizer
Date Born: Abt. 1890 in Kansas

Wife: Clara Lena Goeringer
Date Born: Abt. 1895 in Minnesota

Marriage Date: December 21, 1911
Marriage Location: Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California

Children / Sex / Birth Dates
Marjorie Ann Lizer / F / June 01, 1916
Arthur Lizer / M
Jack Lizer / M

The family story says that the name was changed from Goering, many think it may have even been the Goering that helped Hitler. If possible it would be nice to know one way or the other. It would be interesting, though possibly disappointing, to find out the accuracy of the family story.


I'm also looking for Harriett Charlesworth’s birth date, all I have is a range. Here is what I have on her (as arranged in Family Tree Maker 9):

Husband: Ralph Wardle
Date Born: March 16, 1812 in Romily, Stockport, Cheshire, England/Stockport, England
Died: July 17, 1886 in Sacramento, Sacramento, California, USA

Wife: Harriett Charlesworth
Date Born: Bet. June 24, 1807 - July 07, 1809 in Penistone, Yorkshire, England/Penistone, England
Died: November 25, 1892

Marriage Date: January 02, 1831
Marriage Location: Stockport, Cheshire, England

Children / Sex / Birth Dates
Hannah Wardle / F / Bet. may 23-31, 1833
Sarah Ann Wardle / F / August 24, 1834
Elizabeth Wardle / F / September 6, 1836
Harriet Wardle / F / October 23, 1838
Esther Wardle / F / October 1, 1841
Noah Wardle / M / October 1, 1841
Louise Wardle / F / October 18, 1843
Ralph Wardle / M / June 20, 1845
Emma Wardle / F / March 17, 1847

(Her parents are Joseph Charlesworth and Ann Peace)

I also need a Birth date for Hannah Wardle since all I have for her is a range, thankfully a smaller range than I have for her mother. Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Re: Looking for more information

Posted: 3 Apr 2010 3:58AM GMT
Classification: Query

I am not related. Clara Lena "Goehringer" was daughter of Christopher Goehringer born in Minneapolis 1865 son of John and Helena from Germany. Helena may have been from IL parents Germany and Mollie Hummel born in Wisconsin 1869 parents born Germany. Variations of the spelling is different even in your families records. Marjorie's birth record has Geohring as mother and death record has Goering as mother's surname.

Name: Clara Lena McKinney
Social Security #: 570215377
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1895
Birthplace: Minnesota
Death Date: 29 Oct 1978
Death Place: Riverside

Name: Arthur W Lizer
Social Security #: 571104135
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1887
Birthplace: Kansas
Death Date: 6 Jul 1969
Death Place: Riverside
Mother's Maiden Name: Collins

Name: Arthur William Lizer
City: Los Angeles
County: Los Angeles
State: California
Birthplace: Kansas;United States of America
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1887
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1530909
DraftBoard: 16 WW I 05 June 1917

Arthur's mother was Nancy born March 1850 Ohio married in 1869 listed as married in 1900 census in Greenleaf, Washington Kansas. His siblings in 1900 household were Olive A Lizer born June 1875 KS father PA and Oscar T Lizer born Oct 1876 KS. Arthur was one of eight children only 4 living in 1900. Oscar Lizer also wen to Los Angeles and married a Maud.

Source Information: Ancestry.com. Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2007.
Original data: Minnesota Historical Society. Minnesota State Population Census Schedules, 1865-1905. St. Paul, MN, USA: Minnesota Historical Society, 1977. Microfilm. Reels 1-47 and 107-164.
Minnesota. Minnesota Territorial Census Schedules, 1849-1855. St. Paul, MN, USA: Minnesota Historical Society, 2000. Microfilm. Minnesota. Minnesota 1857 Territorial Census. Minnesota Historical Society, St. Paul, MN, USA.

Name: Chris Goehringer
Census Date: 1895
County: Hennepin
Locality: Minneapolis Ward 4
Birth Location: Minnesota
Gender: Male
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Race: White
Occupation: barber
Roll: V290_65
Listed with "Maud" Goehringer age 26 born WI 1869 and Ada Goehringer age 5 born MN 1890

01 June 1900 Minneapolis, Hennepin, MN
Chris Goeringer born July 1865 MN married in 1889 father born Germany mother IL musician
Maly Goeringer says born Jan 1877 WI parents Germany bore 3 children landscape artist
Ada Goeringer born Nov 1890 MN
Clara Goeringer born Sept 1895 MN
Della Goeringer born Nov 1897 MN

Instead of writing the surname first then given name the enumerator wrote this family indicating Chris was the surname.

1910; Census Place: Ballona, Los Angeles, California; Roll T624_79; Page: 5B; Enumeration District: 8; Image: 675.
Frank J Mooney age 38 born Kansas 1872 1st marriage 5 years parents born Ireland laborer odd jobs
Mollie "Hummel Goehringer" Mooney age 38 born Wisconsin 1872 2nd marriage 5 yrs says bore 4 children all living parents born Germany, artist/oil painting
Georgia Mooney 4 born CA 1906
Ada Goehringer born MN 1890 was married by 1910 and not in this household
Clara Goehringer 14 born MN step dtr father born MN
Della Goehringer 12 born MN step dtr father born MN

Name: Georgie Mooney
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1905
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Hummel
Birth County: Alameda

Name: Elva D Simpson - ? Elva Della
[Elva D Goehringer]
Social Security #: 548125396
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 6 Oct 1898
Birthplace: Minnesota
Death Date: 27 Jun 1987
Death Place: Riverside
Mother's Maiden Name: Hummel
Father's Surname: Goehringer


1920;Census Place: Chula Vista, San Diego, California; Roll T625_130; Page: 10A; Enumeration District: 237; Image: 653.
Frank J Mooney 49 KS Ireland Ireland hotel mgr
Mollie Mooney 48 WI Ger Ger asst manager
Georgia Mooney 14 CA

1930; Census Place: Brentwood, Multnomah, Oregon; Roll 1955; Page: 9A; Enumeration District: 269; Image: 793.0.
Mollie Mooney 56 says she was married born 1874 WI was 18 first time she married parents Germany
Georgia Mooney 23 1907 CA dtr film inspector / moving pictures

Name: Mollie A Mooney
[Mollie A Hummel]
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1869
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Death Date: 12 May 1959
Death Place: San Joaquin
Father's Surname: Hummel

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Name: Georgia Utter
Social Security #: 549724955
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1905
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 5 Feb 1965
Death Place: San Joaquin

1880; Census Place: Madison, Dane, Wisconsin; Roll T9_1421; Family History Film: 1255421; Page: 92.3000; Enumeration District: 73
Fred Hummel 47 1833 Prussia butcher
Ottelea Hummel 46 1834 Prussia
Clara Hummel 15 1865 WI
Eda Hummel 13 1867 WI
Mollie Hummel 11 1869 WI
Farel Preshman 50 1830 Prussia single bro in law


Name: Clara Rothe married 1882 to Benjamin Rothe born WI 1856 lived in Napa Co CA in 1900, son Ben born CA Nov 1896
[Clara Hummel]
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1864
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Death Date: 8 May 1947
Death Place: Napa
Mother's Maiden Name: Bushmann
Father's Surname: Hummel

?
Name: Ida Moffett
[Ida Hummel]
Social Security #: 0
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1867
Birthplace: Wisconsin
Death Date: 9 Dec 1940
Death Place: San Joaquin
Father's Surname: Hummel

1870 Minneapolis ward 1, Hennepin, MN
John Goehringer 25 barber born Germany 1845
Lena Goehringer 23 born Germany 1847 first name was Helena
Christopher Goehringer 4 MN 1866
Rosa Goehringer 3 MN 1867
John Goehringer 2 MN 1868

Unable to find the "Goehringer's" in 1880 census and there were two Christopher's born about the same time that lived in Minneapolis.

Civil War Pension Index: General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934
Name: John Goehringer
State Filed: Minnesota
Widow: Helena Goehringer

Name: Helene Goehringer, (Widow John)
Location 2: r 212 9th avenue n
Year: 1890, 1891
City: Minneapolis
State: MN

Name: Helena Goehringer
Census Date: 5 Jun 1905
County: Hennepin
Locality: Minneapolis Ward 3
Birth Location: Illinois
Gender: Female
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Race: White
Father's Birth Location: Germany
Mother's Birth Location: Germany
Roll: MNSC_122

Name: Helena Goehringer
Death Date: 10 Apr 1927
Death County: Hennepin
State File Number: 018336
Certificate Number: 018336
Certificate Year: 1927
Record Number: 480976

Name: Christopher Goehringer
Death Date: 17 Apr 1941
Death County: Hennepin
State File Number: 019682
Certificate Number: 019682
Certificate Year: 1941
Record Number: 864793

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1910; Census Place: Los Angeles Assembly District 73, Los Angeles, California; Roll T624_83; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 175; Image: 158.
Ada E Prentiss 20 1890 MN MN WI married 1907 mgr dept? home?
Ray F Prentiss 21 husband born OR 1889 parents Ohio electrician / street railway


Name: Clara S Lizer
[Clara S Leger]
Home in 1920: Los Angeles Assembly District 66, Los Angeles, California
Age: 24 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's name: Arthur W
Father's Birth Place: Kansas
Mother's Birth Place: Wisconsin
Marital Status: Married
Race: White

Name: Marjorie A Lizer
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1916
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Geohring
Birth County: Riverside


Name: Marjorie Ann Carlton
[Marjorie Ann Lizer]
Social Security #: 552011990
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1916
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 14 Oct 1986
Death Place: Riverside
Mother's Maiden Name: Goering
Father's Surname: Lizer


Name: Jack Lizer
Social Security #: 561011282
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1914
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 11 Jul 1972
Death Place: Riverside

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