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Information about Leopold Pendl Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Information about Leopold Pendl Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 2 Jun 2012 7:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, My Grandmother Marie Putre Married Leopold Pendl in New York City at about 1922 their first son was born in 1924, second son 1926 and third son 1928. Leopold Pendl is from a family of Austrian Royalty. Please contact me Marie5031s1j@aol.com Thank you

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 2 Jun 2012 11:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
How is Leopold PENDL connected to Royalty?

Robert

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 3 Jun 2012 2:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Jun 2012 6:24PM GMT
found about nobility-search only this family of artists - no idea if a connection. they have coat of arms but not sure if only of the family = Familienwappen or nobility. my guess would be more for tyrolean peasants or citizens....

Genealogie - Bibliographische Quellen für Tirol
GRANICHSTAEDTEN-CZERVA, Rudolf - "Bibliographische Quellen zur Tiroler Familienforschung (Tiroler Bauern, Bürger, Edelleute)" in Quellenbücher zur Sippenforschung, Band 1, 270 Seiten.
Genealogy - Bibliographic sources for Tyrol
Granichstaedten-CZERVA, Rudolf - "Bibliographical sources for genealogical research Tyrol (Tyrolean peasants, citizens, nobles)" in the source books on genealogy, Volume 1, 270 pages.
PENDL: „Das Künstlergeschlecht der Pendl“, von A. Menghin; Tyrolensien, Bozen 1889, Bd. 1, S. 143-165; Tiroler Schützenzeitung 1858, S. 397. „Eine Meraner Künstlerfamilie“ von K. Wolf, Meran 1887; B. Pokorny, „Merans Werdezeit“ 1870 bis 1900, S. 175-178.
Pendl: "The gender of the artist Pendl", by A. Menghin; Tyrol, Bolzano 1889, Vol 1, pp. 143-165; Tyrolean shooter Newspaper 1858 S. 397th "A family of artists of Merano" by K. Wolf, Meran 1887; B. Pokorny, "Meran recovery time" 1870 to 1900, pp. 175-178.

the place of orgin would be Meran, South-Tyrol now Italy. no idea if one of them moved to Vienna.
if it´s of interest ask at tyrolean country-archive if more info to this artists-family and their coat of arms: http://www.tirol.gv.at/themen/kultur/landesarchiv/
maybe also at tyrolean country-museum: http://www.tiroler-landesmuseum.at/html.php/de/tiroler_lande...

in this info i see also a Pendl of Vienna who belonged to this family > Pendl Erwin, Maler/painter *18.Oct.1875 Wien/Vienna + 4.8.1945 Vienna
it looks like their orgin was in Aschau in the Ziller-Valley in Tyrol now Austria.
see Pendl Johann, Bildhauer/sculptor *1791
http://www.biographien.ac.at/oebl/oebl_P/Pendl_Johann_1791_1...

find more at Google: http://www.google.at/#hl=de&output=search&sclient=ps...
http://www.viennatouristguide.at/Friedhoefe/Zentralfriedhof/...
Emanuel Pendl: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Pendl

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 3 Jun 2012 8:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, I'm not sure what's the family title is. In Europe families pass their titles down from one generation to the next. I don't know if he was using his mother's last name. He listed her as nearest relative when traveling to New York in 1922 (Barbara Pendl). It's hard to know with the Europeans if their using the Mother or the Father's last name? Why do you ask? My Grandmother Marie Putre spoke 7 languages she lived tin Teresta which is now in Northern Italy. Thank you, Marie

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 4 Jun 2012 3:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you, for all the information, but I don't speak or read German. On Leopold Pendl's boat passage from Breman Germany to New York in 1922 he listed Mother: Barbara Pendl,
Vienna VIII, Josefstatterst.37 I know that this paper is telling me who his Mother is but I don't understand what the rest is? Is it an address? I know Josef is the
German name for Joseph. On ancestry.com I keep getting Austrian Directories in Vienna, but I can't read them. My grandmother's original name is Marie Putre born 1900 in USA and then the family return to Teresta. She left home to go to work in the kitchen of Leopold's family Kitchen. My aunt told me Leopold's Family owned a Resturant in Vienna. My mother only told me that grandmother worked in the kitchen and his family threaten him to stay away from her because she was working class and he was not working class and the two don't mix, in public. If you can give me any more help I would appreciate it. Thank you, Marie McCann

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 4 Jun 2012 10:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
If his mother was listed as the nearest relative that would indicate his father had passed away. Having left after WW I perhaps his father was killed in that war. It is not difficult to know whether they were using their mother or fathers name! Of the hundreds of manifests I have found I can only recall one case where the mother's maiden name was used. In most cases the father's name was used.

Did you notice that on the second page he listed his destination to a brother in law Josef SOHONHERR?

Do you mean Trieste, rather than Teresta?

I am puzzled as to why I can not find Leopold PENDL in any us census or social security records nor do I find a Marie (which is more likely Maria) PUTRE in immigration records. Can you tell us what you have found thus far in US records and under what name?

Robert

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 4 Jun 2012 11:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Name: Johann Putre
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1894
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 16 Years 10 Months
Gender: Male
Place of Origin: Austria
Port of Departure: Antwerp, Belgium
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Friesland
Occupation: Saloonkeeper

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 4 Jun 2012 5:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Jun 2012 7:05PM GMT
"Barbara Pendl,Vienna VIII, Josefstatterst.37"
Josefstädterstr. 37 Wien/Vienna was her adress:
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&cp=24&gs_id=1e1&...
Wien VIII stands for Vienna 8th district named JOSEFSTADT.
http://www.wien.gv.at/bezirke/josefstadt/
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josefstadt_%28Wien%29
old map 1830: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Wien_1830_Va...

Tracing your Ancestors in Vienna - Some Guidelines
A service of the Municipal and Provincial Archives of Vienna
http://www.wien.gv.at/english/history/archives/ancestors.htm...

2 hits for Barbara Pendl at grave-search Vienna - possible the first in list can be his mother - maybe. click on the name and see who also is buried at same grave.:
http://www.friedhoefewien.at/grabsuche_de?submit=true&na...

Vorname/firstname: Barbara
Nachname/lastname: Pendl
Geburtsdatum/birthdate: 04.12.1866
Lebensalter/age (at death): 81
Sterbedatum/date of death:
Bestattungsdatum/burialdate: 02.07.1948
Friedhof/cemetery: Wiener Zentralfriedhof/Vienna Central-cemetery
Gruppe/group: 67
Reihe/row: 47
Nummer/number 27
Grabnutzungsrecht bis/right for grave until: 11.02.2019
Weiters in diesem Grab bestattet/buried in same grave:
Name/name Geburtsdatum/birthdate Lebensalter/age(at death)
Pendl Josef 53
Wittmann Barbara 26.10.1936 72
Wittmann Maria 85

in Austria a person has the name of the father when the parents are married. the woman gets her husbands lastname at marriage. when a child has the name of the mother, so it was born illegitime. most time then the father was not stated on birth-certificate. so later at ancestors-research often the problem that you can´t find out the fathers name and also not research his family. you can only when his name was known in the family and stated anywhere or so....

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 4 Jun 2012 6:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Jun 2012 7:39PM GMT
Pendl Josef buried in same grave died 1918 at age 53, buried 29th Dec.1918! was born then around 1865.
so if this Barbara was the mother of Leopold, so she was widow since 1918. this would fit i think.
Vorname: Josef
Nachname: Pendl
Geburtsdatum
Lebensalter: 53
Sterbedatum
Bestattungsdatum: 29.12.1918
*****************************
Ellisisland-passenger record
First Name: Leopold
Last Name: Pendl
Ethnicity: Austria, German
Last Place of Residence: Vienna, Austria
Date of Arrival: Apr 10, 1922
Age at Arrival: 20y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Mount Clay
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Manifest Line Number: 0019

going to brother in law Josef Schönherr, N.Y. 739 Brook Ave
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...

have forgotten to say that "if" he was not of royality more of nobilty. "Royals" in Austria were the family of Habsburg not a family Pendl. how i said i found no nobility Pendl.
the nobility-story maybe about what you have written, as he was from more rich "no working-class":
"My aunt told me Leopold's Family owned a Resturant in Vienna. My mother only told me that grandmother worked in the kitchen and his family threaten him to stay away from her because she was working class and he was not working class and the two don't mix, in public."
but i can not understand that she worked in the kitchen when she has spoken 7 languages. people of "lower working-class" did´nt speak so many languages, as had not the education (school) for that. a little bit a mystery that all i think.... :( maybe some family gossip anywhere?

Re: Information about Leopold PENDL Birth about 1902 Vienia Austria

Posted: 1 Jan 2013 11:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Jan 2013 11:47PM GMT
I do not think that Leopold will show on any US records since he was only in the country for 6 years before he was killed in NYC. This was before social security so no record would show up there. It is interesting to note that my fathers birth certificate is Franz Xavier Pendl born in NYC in 1928 (youngest son of Leopold) same name as Erwin's grandfather. Do you think Erwin and Josef were brothers with Leopold being Josepf son?
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