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Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 8 Feb 2013 9:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Scheblonka, Seblonka
My grandfather, Ludwig Seblonka (Scheblonka) was born 12 Jan. 1876 in Vienna, he was illegitimate.

I have the Baptismal record (his surname was Scheblonka) and the registry at the Findelhaus. He was sent to a foster family in Lab (Laab)in Slovakia about a month after his birth. Later, about 1900, he is again in Vienna and in the civil registration until he came to America.

The Findelhaus record has the name of his mother and her age, but not her origin.

Is there any thing I am missing?

Also onka/anka surname endings sound Polish, but from what I have read there weren't many Austrian Poles in Vienna at that time. Any ideas about her orgin or surname stem?

PJS

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 9 Feb 2013 7:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Feb 2013 7:50PM GMT
think this are germanizings of the polish name Czaplonka.
so possible came from Galicia - who knows, which was an austrian crownland that time.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_%28Eastern_Europe%29

some variants at Ellisisland to find.
Jablonka: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Zablonka: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Czaplonka:http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...
Cablonka: http://www.ellisisland.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=16900218...

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 18 Feb 2013 4:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Cebalonkaa, Cebolonka, Cepielonka, Cieplinka, Sabolonka, Scibalonka, Scipalonka, Seibalonka, Sebulonka, Sipalonka, Sobolanka, Sobolonka, Subolionka, Subolonka, Szybalonka, Zibalanka, Zieblenka, Zubalonka,
I have looked at the familysearch.com records for variations of seblonka/scheblonka in both Slovakia and Poland (Galicia). They then centered in the Neu Sandec to Rzeszow area. Most of the dates are in the early 19th century. I will try to find variations in the names over time. These are some of the variations:

Cebalonkaa,
Cebolonka,
Cepielonka,
Cieplinka,
Sabolonka,
Scibalonka,
Scipalonka,
Seibalonka,
Sebulonka,
Sipalonka,
Sobolanka,
Sobolonka,
Subolionka,
Subolonka,
Szybalonka,
Zibalanka,
Zieblenka,
Zubalonka,

I will have to check how these variations would have been registered in the Vienna Civil Registrations. My guess is that Anna Scheblonka would not have come to Vienna as a single woman.
PJS

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 2:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 19 Feb 2013 2:45PM GMT
no idea if would make sense to ask at Vienna Historical Registry records (1904-1975). don´t know when he left Vienna to the states. but make attempt - when they can do and find him - maybe some info more with some luck. you can ask about e-mail. hope they can research without knowing an adress or district. it´s free - no costs.
e-mail-adress is to find at "Zuständige Stelle":
Historic registration records (1904-1975) - Report
http://www.wien.gv.at/amtshelfer/kultur/archiv/forschung/his...

at grave-search could not find any person with name Seblonka or Scheblonka: http://www.friedhoefewien.at/eportal/
found only some Jablonka - this is also the variant i know really and heared sometimes: http://www.friedhoefewien.at/grabsuche_de?submit=true&na...
name at Familienname and click Suchen.
maybe you look with other variants, but also no idea if makes sense. she can also have left Vienna or married later.....in any case ask for her also at the old registry records, as you know her name. write when he was born and that born Findelhaus, tell all you know.

Findelhaus (in german - you have to take a translator):
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiener_Findelhaus
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alservorstadt
http://www.habsburger.net/de/kapitel/das-wiener-findelhaus-z...
old map - Findelhaus(founded 1788) Alserstraße 23:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Wien_1830...
old pictures -> Ansichten: http://www.alservorstadt.at/
http://static.habsburger.net/files/styles/large/public/origi...
Alser-Dreifaltigkeitskirche: http://www.planet-vienna.com/spots/Dreifaltigkeitskirche/dre...

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 4:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
try listening to different voices pronouncing the variations you have found. http://ivona.com

Could Slovak spelling ŠVAJDLENKA be close to the spelling you have on the document?
In 1995 in Lab there was a S^VAJDLENKOVA.
Presently in Lab's phone book as well. http://telefonny.zoznam.sk/svajdlenka/lab/

use www.herby.com.pl to see if some of the variations do show up in Poland. You do need to use a wild card " % or * " for the special character letter in Polish alphabet.

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 8:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your reply.

I have used the google translator which has Slovak and Polish pronouniations. I will als use the site you suggested.

I had seen the name Svajdenka in the Lab films. Also there was Svadlenka/Swadlenka entries in Vienna. Most of which were from Bohemia. I was in Lab in about 2000 and have the phone book for that area. I have a Svajdlenda in Plavecky Stvrtok in 1999-2000.

I have the Lab films and haven't been able to find a Anna Svajdlenka like individual born in the 1850s. I will look again at the familysearch site.

Again thanks!
PJS

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 9:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome.
It seems it might come down to pronounciation of this surname. Your ancestor was German? Is the surname a Germanized version of a Slavic name or Slavic version of a German name?

Here is distribution of S^VADLENKA's in CZ.
http://www.kdejsme.cz/prijmeni/%C5%A0vadlenka/hustota/

http://www.radixindex.com/en/surname_index/surname/schwadlen...

http://www.radixindex.com/en/surname_index/surname/schwadlen...

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 9:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
I did find a Anna S (hacek)vajdlenka in Borský Mikuláš, Senica, Slovakia who was born in 1849. My grandfather's Findelhaus record would have his mother born in 1850, she was 26 at the time of his birth in Jan. 1876. That is a good match! I will have to check it out more. There were 146 Svajdlenka listings in Senica between 1840 and 1900.

PJS

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 9:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Good news.

Svajdlenka, Ignac Zoher, Cz.Slov. 24 1899 1923 You looked on his NY EI arrival manifest?

Svadlenka, Ludwig Skalica, Hungary 21 1886 1907 Is this your ancestor's NY EI arrival manifest?

Re: Illegitimate Vienna births, nationalities

Posted: 19 Feb 2013 9:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
My grandfather arrived in 1905, 13 May.

My grandfather was Ludwig Scheblonka/šeblonka/seblonka. When he arrived he was using the surname of his foster family, Filipek. Ludwig arrived with his foster brother, Thomas' wife Suszanna and my grandfather's future wife Maria Dindl. These dates corspond to his naturalization papers and census data.

Thank you!
PJS
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