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WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 23 Aug 2013 7:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Langenek
Good afternoon,

I am trying to find more information on my great-great grandfather who died in World War I while serving in the Austro-Hungarian Military. I used the Kramerius website and did a search on his last name, Langenek, and found him (Friedrich) listed on the Aphabetisches Verzeichnis der in den Verlustlisten only. This at least confirms that yes he died in World War I. I'm not sure what the 430 after his name means though or how to find out more about him.

Any ideas? I can tell you that his wife and child, my great-grandfather, lived in Vukovar at that time (it is now part of Croatia - Yugoslavia after WWI)and that he was born around 1886. I don't know where to go next.

Thanks for any help or advice!
NMB

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 24 Aug 2013 12:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Niki,
You have what is a common problem with the Kramerius records. Unfortunately, for some individuals who appear in the alphabetical list of casualties, nothing comes up for the actual casualty record. I don't know if this is because the OCR program being used misreads the name or if there is some other problem. In any case, I believe that the number 430 refers to the book number where the casualty report is recorded.

Soldiers who were from Vukovar appear to have been in k.u.k IR 70 if they were in the joint army or k.u. LIR 28 if they were in the landwehr. You might do a Kramerius search using the following terms:
Vukovar Verlustliste
Unfortunately, many casualty reports come up for this search but you may find your gggrandfather's report in one of them.
Alternatively, you might write to the Kriegs Archive in Vienna and ask them if they have the actual casualty report. I don't know what they would charge you do look it up.
CK

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 26 Aug 2013 1:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much! I will try those routes. Any other websites or places to go to find out more about what happened to him in World War I? My great-grandfather was only 10 when he returned to the U.S. and his father died when he was about 6 or so. He admitted his information could be unreliable so I'm just trying to find everything that I can!

Thanks again,
NMB

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 7 Sep 2013 5:11PM GMT
Classification: Query

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 14 Oct 2013 2:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again Niki,
Well, this is your lucky day. I finally figured out how to manually search the Czech Library documents. So, I looked up Friedrich Langenek's records. He was in Infantry Regiment 70. He was born in 1886 in Nova Pazova, Stara Pazova, Slovenia. In 1916, he was captured and made a prisoner of war in Russia. I have attached his record. He must have died after he was captured but I did not find anything about that.
Carl K.
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Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 14 Oct 2013 3:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
You have just become my new favorite person! The genealogist in me wants to know how you found this so I can also see the search results. Really though, you have made me one happy person this morning! My grandfather will also be very excited!

Thank you!

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 16 Oct 2013 1:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Niki,
In thinking about your great-grandfather's record, he was posted as being a prisoner of war in September of 1916. That was at the end of one of the biggest offensives of the war. The offensive was called the Brusilov offensive named after the Russian general who led it. Both sides had huge casualties and Austria had several hundred thousand men taken prisoner. So, I think it likely, that your ancestor may have participated in this battle when he was captured. If you Google the "Brusilov Offensive", you can learn more about this historic battle.
You also asked me how to find the record. Go to the Kramerius site and click on "Document types" on the top left hand side of the page. Then click on "periodicals" and then click on the "V". Now look for the periodical with the name that begins with "Verlustlisten" and click on it. Scroll down the page and click on the the Periodical Volume Date of 1916. Scroll down the next screen until you find the periodical item number 430 and click on it. At the bottom of the next page, click on page 32. You may then have to click on "Page Image (djvu)" if the page doesn't come up on its own. You should now be able to find him on that page. Pretty simple!
CK

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 17 Oct 2013 4:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much! Now I have much more to go on in finding out more about my great-great-grandpa! And I actually went to the library to read more about the Brusilov Offensive and more about the Eastern Front from World War 1 in general. There is quite a bit that I didn't have covered in school (and I'm a history major!).
Just curious, how familiar are you with getting records from area? I'm wondering how difficult or easy it could be.

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 18 Oct 2013 1:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Niki, you don't indicate what types of records you looking for. Are you talking about military records, civil records, or church records? I assume you are asking about records from Croatia or Slovenia correct? I don't have any experience looking for church or civil records from those regions of the AH empire. My family came from what is now Slovakia and I have done fairly extensive research on records from there. But I don't know if there are similar records still available for your areas. Since we are getting a bit off topic here, write to me at my email address:
ahmilitary@gmail.com
CK

Re: WW I Records on the Kramerius Website

Posted: 23 Oct 2013 10:02AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Oct 2013 10:39AM GMT
Slavonia is not Slovenia! ;) most of "Slawonien" is now a part of Croatia
the stated places are now in Srem/Srijem/ Syrmia-part in Serbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Syrmia.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Pazova
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stara_Pazova
Slawonien/ Slavonia:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Slavonia_region_citie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slawonien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrmia

this areas always little bit confusing. i´m not sure if Nova Pazua/ Neu-Pasua and Stara Pazova/ Alt-Pasua in Srijem are really belonged to Slawonien/ Slavonia.

the lastname sounds of Danubeswabian!
the regiment:
k.u.k. Peterwardeiner Infanterie Regiment "Edler von Appel" Nr. 70

Errichtet: 1860 – XIII. Armeekorps – 36. Infanterie Truppendivision
Nationalitäten: 79 % Croaten/Serben – 21 % Sonstige
Ergänzungsbezirk: Peterwardein
Garnison: Stab, I.,IV. Baon: Budapest – II. Baon: Trebinje – III. Baon: Peterwardein
Kommandant: Oberst Eduard Maag
Ungarische Uniform – Egalisierungsfarbe: meergrün – Knöpfe: Gold

Donauschwaben/ Danubeswabians in the Military Border Region
History of the Region
The Border Region was organized under strict military rules. The sectors were as follows, along with indications of their founding and ending dates........
Slavonian-Syrmian Military Border (1702-1872/81)
Slavonian/Syrmian Generalcy [Border #7, Gradiskaner #8, Peterwardiner #9 regiments, Tschaikisten Battalion?, Slavonian Hussar Regiment]
http://genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsmil.html

Peterwardein (german name) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrovaradin
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