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Balharry

Bruce Storace (View posts)
Posted: 23 Nov 2004 6:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Looking for information about the James Balharry family. Son James married Margaret Horn in 1744. Need James' mother his father was also James Balharry.
There's about 6 of us who want to know.
Thanks

Bruce Storace
Warren, MI

Re: Balharry

GWENDA (View posts)
Posted: 25 Nov 2004 8:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
I think if you look under these name variations, you will find they are same family.
BAHARRIE
BALLHARE
BATHIE
BARRIE
BARRY
BARRAY
BARIE

Try with batch numbers:
C113222
C113142
M113142

Re: Balharry

Gwenda (View posts)
Posted: 25 Nov 2004 8:13AM GMT
Classification: Query

JAMES BEHARIE
Male

Birth:
Christening: 01 MAR 1716 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JOHN BEHARIE Family



JAMES HARE
Male

Birth:
Christening: 02 JAN 1709 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

Parents:
Father: JOHN HARE Family



1. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAR 1656 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

2. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JAN 1666 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

3. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 MAR 1694 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

4. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 AUG 1797 Tealing, Angus, Scotland


1. BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 SEP 1703 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

2. ISOBEL BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAR 1712 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

3. JEAN BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 MAY 1711 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

4. ELSPETH BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 DEC 1655 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

5. ELIZABETH BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 NOV 1667 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

6. JOHN BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 MAY 1714 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

7. JOHN BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 OCT 1714 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

8. LILLIAS BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 JUN 1713 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

9. MARGARETT BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 DEC 1659 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

10. MARGARET BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 DEC 1688 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

11. ANDROWE BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JAN 1661 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

12. WILLIAM BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1658 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

13. THOMAS BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JAN 1661 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

14. THOMAS BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAR 1741 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

15. NANS. BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 MAR 1657 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

16. CAITHRAINE BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JUL 1663 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

17. AILLISON BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUN 1743 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

18. AILISON BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 APR 1748 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

19. BARBARA BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 SEP 1666 Tealing, Angus, Scotland



1. JOHNE BAHARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 JAN 1674 Tealing, Angus, Scotland




1. BARRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JAN 1704 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

2. BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 JAN 1725 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

3. ISABEL BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 MAY 1749 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

4. ISABEL BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 JAN 1796 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

5. MARY BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JUL 1790 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

6. CRISTANE BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 APR 1668 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

7. GILBERT BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 DEC 1643 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

8. JEAN BARRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUL 1757 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

9. ELSPETT BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 AUG 1656 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

10. ELSPETT BARIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 JUN 1660 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

11. JHON BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 AUG 1642 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

12. JOHN BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 NOV 1725 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

13. JOHN BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 MAY 1745 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

14. JOHN BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 MAY 1800 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

15. MARGT. BARRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 MAY 1709 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

16. MARGARET BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 MAR 1747 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

17. MARGARET BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 DEC 1791 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

18. ANDREW BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 NOV 1671 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

19. WILLIAM BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 AUG 1619 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

20. WILLIAM BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAY 1637 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

21. WILLIAME BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUN 1662 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

22. WILLIA. BARIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 APR 1670 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

23. WILLIAM BARRY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 OCT 1753 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

24. WILLIAM BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 JUN 1802 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

25. THOMAS BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAR 1656 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

26. THOMAS BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JUL 1746 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

27. PETER BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 SEP 1805 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

28. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 MAR 1656 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

29. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 JAN 1666 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

30. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 MAR 1694 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

31. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 AUG 1797 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

32. DAVID BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 JAN 1614 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

33. DAVID BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1712 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

34. DAVID BARRAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 AUG 1736 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

35. DAVID BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 DEC 1793 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

36. LEONARD BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 NOV 1666 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

37. AGNASSE BARIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 MAR 1668 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

38. ANNA BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 APR 1659 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

39. ROBERT BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAR 1662 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

40. JOANETT BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 SEP 1655 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

41. JANNET BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 OCT 1676 Tealing, Angus, Scotland

42. BARBRA BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 03 NOV 1670 Tealing, Angus, Scotland



1. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 OCT 1699 Forfar, Angus, Scotland

2. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 MAY 1702 Monikie, Angus, Scotland

3. JA. BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 OCT 1709 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

4. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 NOV 1716 Guthrie, Angus, Scotland

5. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 20 NOV 1718 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

6. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 18 JUL 1723 Oathlaw, Angus, Scotland

7. JAMES BARRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 12 JUN 1729 Oathlaw, Angus, Scotland




1. JAMES BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 NOV 1714 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

2. JAMES BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 12 NOV 1724 Monifieth, Angus, Scotland

3. JAMES BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 NOV 1724 Monikie, Angus, Scotland

4. JAMES BATHIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 28 SEP 1727 Monifieth, Angus, Scotland









Re: Balharry

Gwenda (View posts)
Posted: 25 Nov 2004 8:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Not impossible, taking into account their broad accent??

JAMES BALBIRNE
Male Family
-
Marriages:
Spouse: BARBRA DUCHARS Family
Marriage: 11 NOV 1795 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland



JAMES BALBIRNIE
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH MCGRIGAR Family
Marriage: 25 FEB 1797 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland


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JAMES BARRIE
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: ISSO. KINNARD Family
Marriage: 28 JUN 1683 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland




JAS. BERRIE
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: MATILDA RYLLIE Family
Marriage: 20 DEC 1792 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland





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JAMES BAILLIE
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: JEANE WHETHEAD Family
Marriage: 21 NOV 1689 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland











Re: Balharry variations

Lesley McNaughton (View posts)
Posted: 25 Nov 2004 7:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Balharrie, Balharry, Beharrie and Baharey
I agree that Balharrie, Balharry, Beharrie and Baharey are all the same name because I have found evidence for this in parish registers and trade directories. I hadn't checked Ballhare and appreciate that suggestion. However I think you should be careful about assuming other names are also variations. The accent was probably not difficult for the local minister to understand. Especially since the ministers knew their parishioners and quite clearly used different spelling for different sets of parents. Variations were more likely to occur when people changed parish.

Re: Balharry variations

Jack Preston (View posts)
Posted: 28 Apr 2005 4:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Are you Lesley McNaughton from Dundee? Brothers Martin and Ian and sisters Joyce, Ann, Claire and Josie?
Mother Ann and Father Leslie who died in South Africa?

Re: Balharry

Alf Beharie (View posts)
Posted: 15 Jan 2006 7:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
You are incorrect, Balhary is a name taken from the hamlet of Balhary, about 17miles NW of Dundee in Perthshire, Scotland. Balharry is Gaelic for "house on the hill" and today it is distinguist by the presence of a large georgian red stone-clad mansion house, itself built on the site of an earlier mansion.

Lord Osbert De Balhary was the first person recorded to have used the name, at around 1260 AD
Due to misinterpretation and thereby mis-recording of soundex names (Illiteracy was the norm) the name eventually became Balharry, then Balharrie, then Beharie (1716 AD) and later Baharie (1750 AD) and finally Beharrie. (1800's AD)
Although the names you suggested:
BALLHARE, BATHIE, BARRIE, BARRY, BARRAY, BARIE
Sound superficially a little bit like Balharry, and its possible there is a distant link I dont feel they are not at all related.

Alf.

Re: Balharry

Bruce Storace (View posts)
Posted: 16 Jan 2006 2:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Balharrie Balharry and variations
Alf,

Your post in reply to Gwenda was forewarded to me as I am researching the Balharrie family.
My g-g-grandfather was William Balharry (Samson/Simpson?) the son of Janet/Jessie Balharry, daughter of John Balharry and Ann Ferrier.
I am in contact with others who are also researching our Balharrie ancestry. They are located in the U.S., Canada and Australia. We would be very interested in what information you would be willing to provide to help us along.

Bruce Storace
Warren, Michigan USA

Re: Balharry

Duncan v Reijswoud (View posts)
Posted: 16 Jan 2006 7:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
I question your Lord Osberto de Balhary reference. I have a copy of the reference you refer to. It comes from the Rental Book of The Cistercian Abbey of Cupar and it is not dated. It could be dated anwhere between 1250 to 1300 as other documents around it contain those dates. How did you get an exact year 1260AD? Is that just a guess? Secondly the original spelling in that document is de Balheri not Balhary. He did come from those Balhary lands near Coupar 'de' translating to 'of' Balheri not spelt Balhary back then. Balhary was a later variation. Osberto was not a Balhary in name he was much like the Smyth of Balhary lineage, a person who owned or part owned the estate. There were several owners after him to and there is at this stage no actual proof the owners of Balhary were ancestors of people named Balhary or Balharry today. But we think that is a possibility that one of our ancestors originally came from the estate Balhary. I have a large collection of documents and letters concerning the Balhary estate. My earliest orginal Smyth Balhary letter is about 1729. The earliest Balhary document appart from Osberto was dated in 1364, a charter under the seal of King David 2. I don't agree either with BATHIE, BARRIE, BARRY, BARRAY, BARIE being our ancestors. I have a tree and none of those variations fit in to it.

Re: Balharry

Alf Beharie (View posts)
Posted: 16 Jan 2006 8:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Bruce
I dont know much more than I already said plus the info on the IGI.
I still have lots of blanks in my tree to fill in and I have'nt the time or money to do any more research in Scotland...The British Records office in Kew, W.London is totally free to the public so I can spend as long as I want in there but the Scottish records office in Edinburgh on the other hand costs about £22-£24 per day!!!...He He, typical of the Scots, eh!
My Dad was born in Dundee, Scotland and he came down to live in London in the 1930's. I was born in England in 1965 so the only records I can afford to research are those in post 1930's England, at Kew.
I'm still plodding along slowly though, when I get the time.

Regards

Alf.
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