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Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 24 Jun 2008 7:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
I'm looking for clues as to how to find the ship and obtain the passenger list for the ship on which the Cavill family left for New South Wales in 1879.

Thank you
Margaret

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 11:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello

could you supply some names & rough DOB's and I'll have apeek for you

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 11:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
Certainly and thank you so much

Frederick Cavill and family, wife Frances and about 9 children left England for Australia according to the notes I have in 1879, they arrived in Australia circa Feb 1879.
Frederick was born in August 1839 in Knightsbridge, Middlesex. He was a famous swimming professor at the time and had attempted to swim the English channel and there is some doubt as to whether he actually did complete the feat on either of the 2 occassions he attempted it. He also returned to England in 1888 to collect a legacy and returned to Australia aboard the SS Rimutaka later the same year. He set up a swimming school or "natatorium" in Lavender Bay.

Thank you for any help that you can give me

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 11:53AM GMT
me again - found the following but does not tiein with a wife Frances:

CAVILL, FREDERICK (1839-1927 born on 10 July 1839 in Kensington, London, son of John Cavill, coachmaker, and his wife Isabella, née Strachan.
Joined the navy as an apprentice in the royal yachts Victoria and Albert and Fairy, fought in the Baltic war and later took up professional swimming. While teaching at Brighton, he won the English 500 yards swimming championship in 1862. On 13 January at St Dunstan's, Fleet Street, London, he married Maria Theophila Rhodes, a cousin of Cecil Rhodes.

In July 1876 Cavill swam over twenty miles from London Bridge to Greenhithe, the longest distance to that time on the Thames. Next month he swam from Southampton to Southsea Pier and from Dover to Ramsgate, before attempting to swim the English Channel. He was taken from the water three miles from his destination, but achieved considerable fame. Having a 'robust constitution, broad chest, and great muscular power', he tried again next year but was dragged from the water within 220 yards of the English coast. Although the 'success' of the swim was heatedly challenged, it was recognized by the Serpentine Club.

Cavill migrated to Australia, reaching Melbourne with his family on board the Somersetshire in February 1879.
He soon moved to Sydney and set up as a 'professor of swimming'. In 1884 he published a pamphlet How to Learn to Swim which outlined his theories on 'natations'. His floating baths or 'natatoriums' at Lavender Bay, Farm Cove, and after 1902 at Woolloomooloo, were popular haunts, despite some opposition to them. All his children gave demonstrations of aquatics and life-saving. Cavill's greatest Australian feats included swimming from Parramatta to Sydney, and eighteen miles from Glenelg (South Australia) to the Semaphore. Crippled by rheumatism for thirty years, Cavill died on 9 February 1927 at Marrickville and was buried in the Anglican section of Waverley cemetery. He was survived by four of his six sons and three daughters.

All his sons were excellent swimmers. The eldest Ernest (1868-1935) was 1000 yards champion of New South Wales at 15 and was placed in championship races in London. Charles (1870-1897) was the first man to swim the Golden Gate, San Francisco, United States of America, in 1896, but was drowned next year at Stockton Baths, California. Percy (1875-1940) was the first Australian to win a race abroad when in 1897 he won both the 440 yards and the long distance (5 miles) events in the English Amateur Swimming Association Championships. He also won four State and four Australian championships in 1895-98, but left for the United States in 1900 and coached swimmers for fifteen years, before disappearing, and living as a beachcomber in the Bahamas. Arthur (1877-1914), known as 'Tums', won the New South Wales 500 and 1000 yards amateur championships. At 21 he was 220 yards professional champion of Australia; W. F. Corbett credited him with originating the crawl stroke.
In 1901 he went to the United States: he successfully swam the Golden Gate but was frozen to death in 1914 trying to swim Seattle Harbour.
Sydney (1881-1945) was 220 yards amateur champion of Australia at 16 and was the originator of the butterfly stroke. He followed his brothers to America where he coached notable swimmers, mainly at San Francisco's Olympic Club.
Cavill's three daughters were also outstanding swimmers and Fredda's son Richard (Dick) Eve won a gold medal for diving at the 1924 Olympic Games in Paris.

The youngest son Richmond Theophilus (1884-1938) was born on 16 January 1884 in Sydney. He was the first to use the crawl stroke in a competition when in 1899 he won the 100 yards State championship. In 1900-04 he won 18 Australian and 22 New South Wales championships. In England in 1902 he was the first officially to swim 100 yards in under a minute, clocking 58.6 seconds. After living in New Zealand and the United States, Dick returned to Australia in 1913 and for a time played 'Father Neptune' in Wirth's circus. He died of a heart attack at the pool he leased at Balmoral, Sydney, on 2 May 1938, and was survived by his wife Mabel Clara, née West, whom he had married in Sydney on 3 November 1903 and by four children.

Frederick Cavill received three awards, for saving life, from the Royal Humane Society, London, between 1860 and 1870, and two from the Royal Humane Society of Australasia, which also made an award to Percy. Charles, Arthur and Sydney received medals from the National Shipwreck Relief Society of New South Wales — a total of nine awards for bravery before 1900. In 1970 the Cavill family was honoured in the International Swimming Hall of Fame at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States of America.

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 12:02PM GMT
Classification: Census
Surnames: cavill
SO, did he mary twice or is this an error as:

1871
Fredk Cavill 31 Prof. of Natation born Knightsbridge
Frances Cavill 26 born Surrey
children
Fred W Cavill 8 born Brighton
Frank Cavill 6 born Ryde, Isle of Wight
Ernest Cavill 3 born Brighton
Charles Cavill 3 months born Brighton
in 16 St Nicholas Road, Brighton

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 12:15PM GMT
Classification: Census
Surnames: CAVILL
+
1841
CAVILL, John 30 1811 Coach Maker NOT born in County
CAVILL, Isabella 30 1811 Not born in County
CAVILL, William 4 1837 born Middlesex
CAVILL, Frederick 2 1839 born Middlesex
in High Row, West, St Margaret, Westminster

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 12:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

thanks for all that, got all the census stuff and I'm not sure where the idea came from that he married a cousin of Cecil Rhodes because there is no record of this whatsoever!!! I have his marriage certificate to Frances in 1860 and as he would only have been 20 ish at that time, hardly time to marry twice one would have thought. there is no birth of the mentioned Rhodes lady in the records of this country either ~ maybe a bit of fanasy on someone's part that has been repeated enough times for it to be now considered as the truth.

I'm really after the immigration details of their voyage out to Aus.

Thanks for all the info

Margaret

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 1:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Margaret,
I have looked at the online immigrations, there is no Cavill's mentioned on them.
Victorian http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/default.htm
NSW http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/staterecords/welcome_to_state_...
Have found the following, which Elle has posted
http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A070601b.htm

http://www.waverley.nsw.gov.au/library/localstudies/walks/cm...
10. FREDERICK CAVILL (1839-1927) swimmer & teacher.

"The Professor of Swimming", operated baths at Lavender Bay, Farm Cove. Professional long distance swimmer, including 2 attempts of the English Channel.

http://www.athletic-scholarships.net/history-swimming.htm
NSW BDM
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Death
2354/1927 CAVILL FREDERICK JOHN ISABELLA MARRICKVILLE

9111/1935 CAVILL ERNEST C FREDERICK THEOPHILE M BALMAIN
9999/1938 CAVILL RICHMOND THEOPHILUS FREDERICK MARY MOSMAN
1837/1880 CAVILL WALTER H FRANCIS W HANNAH R SYDNEY
1244/1879 CAVILL JANE L FRANCIS W HANNAH R SYDNEY
4926/1882 CAVILL UNNAMED FREDERICK THEOPHILA M ST LEONARDS

Births
8651/1881 CAVILL UNNAMED FREDERICK THEOPHILA MAY ST LEONARDS
9371/1882 CAVILL UNNAMED FREDERICK THEOPHILE M R ST LEONARDS
11396/1884 CAVILL RICHMOND T FREDERICK THEOPHILA M ST LEONARDS
Regards,
Lynne

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 2:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Maragret,
Have a look at National Australian Archives (not that it helps with the ship on which the 'Cavill's' arrived.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
go to search now as guest, in in Keyword, put Cavill, Frederick.
you get 5 results.
1 Correspondence with applicant Frederick Cavill concerning invention entitled - Improved floating swimming baths
3 Cavill Frederick Charles : SERN 2008 : POB Sydney NSW : POE Holsworthy NSW : NOK M Steward Helen
etc.,
very interesting reading.
Regards,
Lynne

Re: Frederick Cavill and Family

Posted: 25 Jun 2008 7:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Lynne

Thanks for that ~ the Floating Baths Stuff is just the sort of thing I wanted and to get access to the Aussie Nat Archives was brill too.

I notice on Ancestry that there is a mention of Frederick Cavill (twice) in the immigration section but I'm not a world member, only for UK. just need a kind soul who has a world membership to do me a favour and access the records and perhpas send me the details..................... any offers out anyone???Margaret

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