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Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Posted: 8 Jan 2002 1:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Jan 2003 3:56PM GMT
Surnames: Padfield, Bird, Crossman and Frampton
Looking for any info on the Padfield, Bird, Crossman and Frampton in and around the Walton area of Somerset please

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Posted: 8 Jan 2002 2:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Jul 2004 3:28PM GMT
e-mail me with dates required. The 1851 census for Walton
contains quite a few Crossmans and Birds

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Posted: 23 Feb 2003 12:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bird
Re your Jan 8 Message - I'm a new subscriber.

My mother was one of the Walton Birds (1915-95). I have some limited info, from 1881 and 1901 census, plus what little I know of spoken family history.

My grandmother's landlord in Walton between late 1930s and 1966 was a Crossman, afraid I can't remember more details.

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Alex (View posts)
Posted: 12 Dec 2003 11:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Crossman, Bird
I have a Dennis Crossman (1873-1948) marrying an Elizabeth Bird (1875-1957) in my family tree: they are both from Walton but ended their days in East Horrington, near Wells. Dennis' father was named Henry and his mother was named Elizabeth. Elizabeth Bird's parents were William Bird and Sarah Jane (although Jane might be her middle name...). This is, unfortunately, as far back as I have information, but I do have quite a bit of info. on Crossman-Bird descendants. If anyone has more information on Crossman-Bird ancestry from Walton I'd love to compare notes!

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Posted: 13 Dec 2003 1:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Aug 2004 6:22PM GMT
Surnames: CROSSMAN, BIRD
here are the CROSSMAN's in 1881:
Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Henry CROSSMAN Head M Male 49 Walton, Somerset, England Farmer 184 Ac Emp 4 Lab
Elizabeth CROSSMAN Wife M Female 47 Walton, Somerset, England
Thursa CROSSMAN Daur U Female 21 Walton, Somerset, England Farmers Daughter
Mary CROSSMAN Daur U Female 19 Walton, Somerset, England Farmers Daughter
Elias CROSSMAN Son Male 10 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
Alfred CROSSMAN Son U Male 15 Walton, Somerset, England Farmers Son
Dennis CROSSMAN Son Male 8 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
Albert CROSSMAN Son Male 6 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
Edmund DEVON Serv U Male 38 Place Not Known, Devon, England Farm Servant (Indoor)


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Source Information:
Dwelling Joy Thorn Farm
Census Place Walton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341581
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2414 / 105
Page Number 21

And here they are in Walton in 1851:
55
CROSSMAN George 58 Farmer 150 Acres Walton, Som.
Frances 58 Work at Home Walton, Som.
Ann 30 Work at Home Walton, Som.
Sarah 24 Work at Home Walton, Som.
Henry 19 Work on Farm Walton, Som.
Isabella 17 Work at Home Walton, Som.
Page/Folio 16/166
TERZWELL Robert 17 House Servant Plough Boy Walton, Som.
STEPHENS Albert Servant 12 Shepherd Boy Somerset nk.

And the BIRDs in 1881 (although no Elizabeth?):
William BIRD Head M Male 34 Walton, Somerset, England Farmer (143 Ac 2 Lab)
Sarah J. BIRD Wife M Female 32 Walton, Somerset, England
Kate A. BIRD Daur Female 9 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
Charles BIRD Son Male 6 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
Emily A. BIRD Daur Female 4 Walton, Somerset, England Scholar
William WITCOMB Serv U Male 21 Walton, Somerset, England Farm Servant (Indoor)
Charlotte PERETT Serv U Female 16 Middlezoy, Somerset, England General Servant


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Source Information:
Dwelling Main Street Or Road
Census Place Walton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341581
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2414 / 101
Page Number 14

And William in Walton in 1851:
Page/Folio 26 /171
93
BIRD William 40 Farmer 50 Acres Walton, Som.
Caroline 30 Work at Home Walton, Som.
Ann 8 Scholar Walton, Som.
William 6 Scholar Walton, Som.
James 4 Scholar Walton, Som.
Mary 2 Scholar Walton, Som.
WILLS Charles Vagrant 25 slept in the Barn nk.

Hope this is helpful, let me know if I can add any more, kt:)

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Alex (View posts)
Posted: 13 Dec 2003 9:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: crossman, bird
Yes, I've seen the 1881 Census at familysearch.org and encountered the same problem: no Elizabeth Bird. However, since we have her as Elizabeth Anne Bird and have no Emily A. Bird in our family records, it is a fair assumption that they are the same person given that a) they were born about the same time, b) her parents in the 1881 census match our records, c) her siblings in the 1881 census match our records and d) Walton really wasn't big enough for it to be at all probable for more than one family to have exactly the same names throughout!
Thank you very much for the 1851 census data. Of course any further history you may know of the Walton Crossman-Birds would be appreciated!
I am also interested in your own connection to the family. My line comes down from Dennis Crossman and Elizabeth Bird through Cyril Crossman of East Horrington. My family now resides in Ontario, Canada, but I recall that while on a family trip to England in the early 1990s we attended a Crossman family reunion in a place called Tytherleigh (just across the Devon border): are you connected through this branch?

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Posted: 13 Dec 2003 10:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Aug 2004 6:22PM GMT
Hi, I'm not actually connected, just a researcher with time on my hands!
happy hunting, kt:)

Re: Padfield, Bird, Frampton and Crossman

Phil Trevett (View posts)
Posted: 14 Dec 2003 5:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have Dennis Crossman on my line though I am not directly related.My mothers mother was a Padfield whos family married into the Crossman line. I have the Crossman line back to1720s The Bird line back to 1811. If we can help each other please e mail me
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