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Palmers in Dubois c1920

Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 9 Nov 2008 11:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: PALMER
Edward & Ella Palmer had the Dubois grocery store c1916-1920's. They came to Idaho from Missouri w/adopted son CLAUDE PALMER,about 20 years old. Claude is found w/parents on 1920 Dubois Federal Census. The last proven information we have are letters he wrote describing farmwork in Humphrey and Spencer c1922. We know his uncle Jonathon Palmer died in a Dubois rodeo accident on July 4, 1919.We have searched vital & military records and have hit a "brick wall". CLAUDE is my husband's uncle. Claude wasan Orphan Train Rider and his birth name is CLAUDE EMERSON TOMLINSON. Can you help us?  Thank you. 

Re: Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 17 Dec 2009 6:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Palmer, Tomlinson
Hi,
Do you have Edward Palmer's obituary? If yes, what does it say about Claude? If not, here's the specifics.

An Edward Franklin Palmer b. 16 Sept. 1873 died 1 June 1942, Idaho Falls, Bonneville Co per death cert #127456. Source: Idaho Death Index 1911-51.

I'd contact Random Acts Genealogical Kindness and request a copy of his obituary. Go to www.raogk.org, read guidelines, choose Idaho, choose Bonneville County.

OR
Idaho Falls Public Library, 208-612-8460.

Hopefully that will contain info about where Claude was living.

I couldn't find death info for Ella. Maybe she died after 1956.

I'd also contact the Bonneville County Historical Society, 200 N. Eastern Ave, Idaho Falls, 83402 and ask if they have anything on Claude.

Maybe he changed his surname back to Tomlinson? I'd check the court records in the last county he lived in.

I found a Claude E. Tomlinson b. 10 Oct 1896 who died 31 Jan 1973. His soc. sec. # was assigned in Missouri before 1951. Source: Social Security Death Index. However, I don't know if he was YOUR Claude. Successful Searching & Happy Holidays!


Re: Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 18 Dec 2009 1:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
I know you have the 1920 Census, I didn't and needed additional information on Claude. The 1920 Census for Dubois, Clark Co, ID
Palmer, Edward F, 47(1872/1873), born Missouri
Ella L, 42 (1877/1878), born Missouri
Claude E, "bound to us when a child" (appears to be "bound"). 22 (circa 1897/1898) Born in New York to both parents born in England. Salesman/ Department (Store?).
--The household above had a Ruth Palmer, age 26, born in Idaho to both parents born in Ireland. Is this a coincidence?

The 1920 Census shows Claude E, as 22, enumerated 9 January.
The 1910 Census shows Claude E, as 13, enumerated 19/20 April. Living in Caldwell, Missouri.
--So between the two census ages, it "appears" he was born sometime between 9 January and 18 April in 1897.

There is also a Claude Elmer Palmer, born 4 Dec 1900, born in Idaho to both parents born in Indiana. Parents, Elmer P, and Rose L. Family in Latah Co. ID. He died 11 Jan 1988 at Grants Pass, Oregon.

The Bureau of Land Management http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/
has a database of land patents issued under the Homestead Act:
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/AH-Homestead.html
It shows Edward F Palmer obtaining land in Clark (1920) and Jefferson County (1938). It also shows Claude E Palmer obtaining land in Clark County on 2/15/1923.

For Edwards: Click on the Search Land Patents in the Green block. Next Window: Enter your zipcode. Next Window: Enter Idaho, Palmer, Edward.
--Click on his name for Clark County. It shows he obtained 160 acres on January 8, 1920 (The day before the Census). Click on the Legal Land Description tab, you'll see it is in Township 9-North, Range 33-E, Section 34, the SE Quarter of that section. A section has 640 acres. It was 28 kilometers SW of Dubois.

For Claude's: On 2/15/1923, he obtained 160 acres in Township 13-N, Range 37-East, Section 18. But, it doesn't show where in the Section the land was located. It was located about 202 meters from Palmer Springs, named after him? It was 11 kilometers (6.8 miles) north of Spencer, ID, north of Dubois.
--"IF" he was living there during the 1930 census, he might have been missed by the enumerator as it is in the "boonies." The census did show 226, enumerated by Helen Wood.

If you do not know where this land was located, let me know and I'll explain how to find it via the Internet. For Claudes, the topo map does show the location of Palmer Springs, but doesn't show the Sections or numbers in that area. But at only 202 meters, he lived VERY close to them.

Based on the land patent data, Edward was in the area until 1938, Claude until 1923. Because Claude's land patent was only 202 meters from the Palmer Springs, it was "possibly" named for him. Because he held the name of Palmer from 1910 until 1923, I doubt he changed back to Tomlinson, BUT, that has to be proven. Because Edward had land near Dubois and Claude near Spencer, I would direct your attention to Clark County first. The county came into being in Feb 1919, land taken from Fremont. So, earlier records "might" be in Fremont County.

Cemeteries. There are cemeteries, of course, in Clark County: http://clark.idgenweb.org/Cemeteries/cemeteries.htm But, not transcribed online, perhaps not transcribed at all.
--www.findagrave.com does have the Spencer and Dubois cemeteries listed, but nothing for Palmer. But, I would look at the listing and where there is a photo (identified by "RIP" near the name), I'd look at who took the photo. Most in Spencer was the same person. This person might have the names, or more information about the area. I'd email or contact Peggy Shuping
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=41...;

--The 1920 Census for Brookfield, Linn County, Missouri has a Claud B. Tomlinson, working as a hired hand for Roy/Ray Lambert. He was 23 (1896/1897). Family data shows his birth July 1897 in Linn County, died 1955 in Linn County.
--The Claude E. Tomlinson, born 10 Oct 1896 was born in Mississippi and living there when he registered for the WWI Draft Registration.
Neither is the correct person.

You wrote:
> "The last proven information we have are letters he wrote describing farmwork "
--Were the letters written by Edward or Claude?

As you can see by the lists of postings on this board, it isn't frequented often. HOPEFULLY someone in the area will see your posting and help.

Re: Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 8 Feb 2010 8:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,
Thank you for your reply re: Claude Palmer in Dubois. FYI -Claude is NOT mentioned in his adopted father, Edward Palmer's 1942 obit. Claude is mentioned in his mother Ella Palmer's 1958 Kingston, MO obit.which notes her husband and adopted son Claud preceded her in death. So, Claude died between 1922 (last known letter) and 1942 or 1958!
The Claude E. Tomlinson that you found (1896-1973 MO)...I spent hours on this one, SS Record, etc. and he is NOT the right one!!! Thank YOU for your other suggestions!

Re: Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 11 Feb 2010 1:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your informative reply! In answer to your questions:a Ruth Palmer w/the Edward Palmers on 1920 Census,
is not related. (FYI: Edward, Ella & Claude came to Idaho c1916 from Kingston, Missouri.)The Claude Elmer Palmer who died 1988 in Oregon is NOT our Claude.
OUR Claude is not mentioned as one of the "survivors" in his father Edward F. Palmer's obit in Idaho Falls Post Register,7 Jan 1942. In his mother Ella Palmer's obit from Kingston, Missouri 9 July 1958 states that her husband and "adopted son, Claud, preceded her in death." So, I'm thinking Claude died sometime after the 1923 land grant (which I've copied)and 1942 when Edward died.
I didn't look up Edward Palmer's land; he was probably near Dubois, where he operated the grocery store and state liquor dispensary. I did,however, look up John Palmer, Edward's brother who had come to WA then on to ID in early 1900's. Found a 1915 land grant to him and that may be where the name Palmer Springs came from. John Palmer (Claude's uncle) was killed 4 July 1919 when he was thrown from a horse in the bucking contest! John's obit mentioned brother Edward and said John was"prominent business man and stockraiser of Dubois...he w/William Garrison was erecting a ubstantial new theatre building in Dubois..."
I can't find any Census records (after 1920), marriage or death record for Claude. Do you have any suggestions of where to turn next???? Thank you. Grammy Ann in Issaquah

Re: Palmers in Dubois c1920

Posted: 11 Feb 2010 1:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your informative reply! In answer to your questions:a Ruth Palmer w/the Edward Palmers on 1920 Census,
is not related. (FYI: Edward, Ella & Claude came to Idaho c1916 from Kingston, Missouri.)The Claude Elmer Palmer who died 1988 in Oregon is NOT our Claude.
OUR Claude was not mentioned as one of the "survivors" in his father Edward F. Palmer's obit in Idaho Falls Post Register,7 Jan 1942. In his mother Ella Palmer's obit from Kingston, Missouri 9 July 1958 states that her husband and "adopted son, Claud, preceded her in death." So, I'm thinking Claude died sometime after the 1923 land grant (which I've copied)and 1942 when Edward died.
I didn't look up Edward Palmer's land; he was probably near Dubois, where he operated the grocery store and state liquor dispensary. I did,however, look up John Palmer, Edward's brother who had come to WA then on to ID in early 1900's. Found a 1915 land grant to him and that may be where the name Palmer Springs came from. John's 80 acres and Claude's 160 acres appear to be near each other. John Palmer (Claude's uncle) was killed 4 July 1919 when he was thrown from a horse in a bucking contest! John's obit mentioned brother Edward and said John was "prominent business man and stockraiser of Dubois...he w/William Garrison was erecting a substantial new theatre building in Dubois..."
I can't find any Census records (after 1920), marriage or death record for Claude. Do you have any suggestions of where to turn next???? Thank you. Grammy Ann in Issaquah
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