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Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 17 Oct 2011 3:13PM GMT
Classification: Birth
Surnames: Swartz, Schwartz, Schwarz
My 4th Great-Grandfather Christian emigrated from Germany sometime in the 1830's I believe. According to a census record, he was born in Bavaria/Bayern, Germany. According to a family record he said he was born in a town on the Rhine river. The only problem seems to be that the Rhine doesn't go through Bavaria. I think during the Holy Roman Empire at the time it may have, but does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 20 Oct 2011 1:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Oct 2011 2:17PM GMT
the name in correct german is written Schwarz.

correct - no Rhein in present Bavaria.
map for the Rhein: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Rhein-Karte....
map for Bavaria/Bayern: http://www.erlangerhistorikerseite.de/wp-content/uploads/201...

but Rhein in a part of former Kingdom Bavaria:
"Im Frieden von Lunéville 1801 musste Kurpfalzbayern wie andere deutsche Staaten zugunsten Frankreichs auf seine linksrheinischen Gebiete verzichten."
In the Peace of Luneville 1801 Palatinate Bavaria had to give up its "left bank of the Rhine" like other German states in favor of France.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6nigreich_Bayern
"The southern portion of today's German State of Rheinland-Pfalz was once owned by Bavaria for a very long time and was / is referred to as the "Rheinpfalz", "Rhennish Pfalz", "Rheinbayern" or "Palatinate", but it is no longer a part of modern Bavaria / Bayern. "
old map: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Bayern_von_1...
better old map with Pfalz-area 1900:
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Pfalz1900.jp...
this must be approximately his home-area. area left side of Rhein at Ludwigshafen to the south to Speyer and Wörth am Rhein.
old map of 1800: http://www.hansgruener.de/docs_d/kanal_geschichte/geschichte...
http://www.hansgruener.de/docs_d/kanal_geschichte/geschichte...
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfalz_%28Region%29#Bayerische_Z...
take modern map for Ludwigshafen to compare:
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=8&a...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatinate_%28region%29

Genealogy: http://www.genealogy.net/reg/RHE-PFA/rhein-p.html
history: http://www.genealogy.net/reg/RHE-PFA/rhein-p-his.html

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 21 Oct 2011 1:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Swartz, Schwarz, Schwartz
I appreciate the information, it helps me zero in on where to start searching for him. If I could find where he emigrated from (the port of departure,) that would be even better. Unfortunately I am not sure when he emigrated.

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 22 Oct 2011 11:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 24 Oct 2011 9:30AM GMT
castlegarden has on page 3 a person at 1839 at age 29. think too late....but there is also no place the person came from: http://www.castlegarden.org/search_02.php?m_ship=&po_por...

Bremen, Germany has nothing for that time-period - i think:
http://hotel432.server4you.de/passagierlisten/listen.php?nac...

Hamburg also later dates: http://search.ancestry.de/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1068&...
http://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=HamburgPL_full&...
http://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=40&rank=1&a...

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 23 Oct 2011 1:07PM GMT
Classification: Immigration
Edited: 23 Oct 2011 1:11PM GMT
Surnames: Schwarz, Swartz, Schwartz
From what I understand, when he immigrated to the United States, he came into South Carolina instead of Ellis Island in New York. I looked on www.familysearch.org and found a Christian Schwarz christened in Sept 1806 in Annweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria. But the date of birth of this Christian Schwarz is different. I guess it could be possible that his date of birth is incorrect in records here in the states. So far, this is the only Christian Schwarz that seems to meet the regional and annual criteria. Finding when and where he emigrated from would really help put this to rest, but that mainly costs money to research.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&que...~

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 24 Oct 2011 9:29AM GMT
Classification: Query
not easy to find out if the right person, Christian Schwarz is also a very ususal name. not sure if is the correct person if there is another birth-date. think in link both the same person if you take a look on parents....but possible he is?!
https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&que...
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=5&a...

good luck in the further search!

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 10 May 2012 1:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Schwarz, Swartz, Schwartz
I appreciate all of the information you have provided, it has helped me immensely. Are there any alternate spellings of Christian in German? Kristian perhaps? I know that to be a more Nordic spelling, but perhaps it is a possibility.

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 10 May 2012 10:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 12 May 2012 12:51PM GMT
normally not with K.
Christian is the german writing but there can have been persons who wrote it incorrect.....

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 25 Oct 2012 7:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 25 Oct 2012 7:18PM GMT
Surnames: Schwarz
Alright, I have found some better information on him, but I am not sure where to start. I found his declaration of intent in some Fayette County PA Aliens Papers List and in it he stated he was from Eiseldom(?), Kingdom of Bavaria, Germany. Eiseldom is probably an approximation of the actual name, I haven't found any location called that. Any native German speakers know what or where this might actually be?

Re: Christian Swartz (Schwarz) 1806

Posted: 26 Oct 2012 11:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Oct 2012 11:59AM GMT
google finds a "Eiseldom bei/near Worms", but google-maps don´t find.
https://www.google.at/#hl=de&sclient=psy-ab&q=Eiseld...

it´s a book in an archive
1769-1770
Ansetzung der oberrheinischen Kolonisten und Urbarmachung wüster Gründe, Vol. II(Liste der nächsten Stellen zu Orsoy (1769), Xanten, Kalkar, Büderich, Sonsbeck) (Vgl. linke Seite)
Positing of the Upper Rhine colonists and reclamation desolate grounds, Vol II (list of places next to Orsoy (1769), Xanten, Kalkar, Büderich, Sonsbeck) (See left side)

Enthält : Liste der Stadtkolonisten 1769
Includes: List of city colonists 1769
Xanten: A. Tanzer aus Wachenheim bei Worms Berth. Becker aus Bubenheim bei Mainz Mich. Seiwert aus Meddersheim bei Worms Henr. Haltzdörffer aus Ob. Hilmersheim bei Kreuznach Phil. Punckel aus Papenheim bei MainzKalkar: Andr. Dielmann: Seeheim bei Darmstadt Wilh. Scherff: Königenheim bei Worms Friedr. Germendonck: Eiseldom bei Worms An der Kehrum: Jacob Tenges: Eiseldom bei Worms Joh. Schreiber: Heichelheim bei Worms
Bestellsignatur : Xanten, Kreisregistratur Nr. 1098
http://www.archive.nrw.de/LAV_NRW/jsp/findbuch.jsp?archivNr=...

is to look "where it has gone"....???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms,_Germany
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms
https://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&q=Worms&bav=on.2,o...

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