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Black Dutch

Posted: 20 Dec 2003 4:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Allred
I have been told that my Grandfather Thomas Madison Allred was Black Dutct, but no one can tell me what that ment. Can anyone tell me what that means?

Re: Black Dutch

Posted: 6 Sep 2004 3:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: LOVIN, LEE, COPELAND, COFFIED, COOK
I can tell you. I have "black dutch" relatives. It was a term
used for people with dark skin with negro or native American
heritage. they generally were people who weren't readily
identifyable as negro slaves but were dark skinned.
That's how it has been explained to me.

Rich

Re: Black Dutch

Barbara Fritz (View posts)
Posted: 7 Sep 2004 3:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Allred Humble Cox Russell Dunn
Thanks Rick, My grandfather was very dark and short.I have reached a point where I can not tie into any other Allreds its as if they just droped off the earth. So maybe he was a slave or black. Barbara

Re: Black Dutch

Posted: 7 Sep 2004 4:08AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: LOVIN, LEE, COPELAND, COFFIELD, AUTRY, COOK
Barbara,

Maybe I can help you some more. It was common for
slaves to take or be given the last name of their owners.
Our family owned many slaves in Georgia and South
Carolina. There are many former slaves that I know
took our family's name as theirs. It was also common
for a freed slave or an emancipated slave to be asked
what his last name was and they picked any last name
they could think of, especially prominent ones like
Washington or Jefferson. Remember that most people,
white or "colored" were illiterate back then.

I have seen the surname Allred many times in my search
for my relatives.

Rich

Re: Black Dutch

Posted: 7 Sep 2004 4:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: LOVIN, AUTRY, LEE, COPELAND, COOK, COFFIELD, SCHOLL, WILLIAMS, CONLEY, BEAVER, BURGAMY
I noticed you listed the Cox and Russel surnames. I have
distant relatives with the Cox surname and good friends
that are Russels, specifically Trevor and Vivian.
Check my surname list and see if we have anything in
common.

I am also Shawnee, Cherokee, Creek, Blackfeet, Irish,
Scottish, and English royal family.

Rich

Re: Black Dutch

Barbara Fritz (View posts)
Posted: 8 Sep 2004 2:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
Rick, You are right my Samuel Reuben Allred was illiterate. I dont know who his dad was we think it was Reuben. Sameul came from Tenn. My Russell's also came from Tenn to Ala and on to Texas. My George Washington Cox came from Ala I am working on this line. My Mom and Dad were children of lst cousin's. Samuel R. Allred is my G-G-G-Grandfather on both sides. I dont find any names we have in common. All my family has been here in Texas since or before 1850.I am keeping your list in case I run into any. Thanks Barbara
Posted: 1 Oct 2005 1:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 24 Mar 2006 2:17AM GMT
Barbara, Mr Wilkins at the Genealogy department a LONG time ago told me that the "Black Deutsch" were a group of people that were from an area in Europe where several countries joined. One being Germany, Holland etc. He said that because they married in that area to spouses from another country they would come up with light skin and some with dark skin so they called them the "white deutsch or black Deutsch.

He was the best in researching when I started 30 yrs or so ago and I think he still comes to the department in the new library though he is retired.

Re: Black Dutch

Barbara Fritz (View posts)
Posted: 2 Oct 2005 9:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Adiene, best answer I have had yet...
Barbara
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