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FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Russ Finley (View posts)
Posted: 10 Dec 2001 11:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 24 Jul 2002 9:10AM GMT
Surnames: Finley
Hi,
I've found several references to Finley as being a Sept of the Confederation of Clan Chattan. In his Clan Finley pub.1956 Dover Ohio. Herald Stout states that Finley is actually Ferguson. I haven't been able to find a satisfactory answer to which is correct. However I have along the line found at least one rebuttal of the idea that Finley is a part of Clan Ferguson. I appearntly have the genealogy traced back to about the time of MacBeth by Herald Stout much of which is confirmed by Ludlow's Colonial Families. So I should be able to match up a male ancestor somewhere. I am not quite sure about this but my impression is that Finley itself may not be a Clan per se. Does anybody have any good information on whether or not Finley is part of Clan Chattan, and can anyone tell me what a Sept is?
Russ

Re: FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Posted: 24 Jul 2002 9:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Russ, as I understand it, a Sept family was a client family to the Clan Chief, in the old Clan system. So, while there may have been a group of Finleys in Clan Chattan, which is itself a *group* of allied clans, that would not mean that ALL Finleys would have been.

Clans are not families, and are not the same as surnames, either. They were more like war-bands who held a particular territory, in the days before surnames were fixed. In these modern days, in most Clans, there is no need to prove your right to belong by descent. Once you have done your research, and are satisfied that you want to align yourself with a group, they will be glad to welcome you to their ranks.

Some Clan organizations have Clan Genealogists, who will assist you in your genealogical research, if that is your desire. Welcome to the wonderful, bewildering world of historical research in Highland Scotland.

Re: FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Scott Finley (View posts)
Posted: 5 May 2003 6:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 28 May 2003 7:03AM GMT
Surnames: Finley, MacBeth, Ferguson
Hi, my name is scott my dad is Stout's nephew. I have not found in any searches i have made an exact answer to your question. In Stout's book it says Finley means so or child of fergus. He also states that macbeth is ancester.

Re: FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Posted: 4 Mar 2010 7:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Finley
Neither. Finley's are an official sept of Clan Farquharson per a number of reputable sourses. The clan originally called themselves Clan Findláech in honor of Fionnlaigh MacRuardi, Macbeth’s father. After Macbeth's death, King Malcolm III of Scotland declared Macbeth's surviving kindred to be outlaws. They were forced to change their names and to hide themselves among loyal supporters. Over 180 years later, Finley descendents came back to the fore, banding together publically again to form the core of Clan Farquharson. Clan Farquharson later became affiliated with the Chattan Federation for mutual protection but has always been, first and foremost, its own entity.

Re: FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Posted: 5 Mar 2010 1:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2010 5:17AM GMT
Surnames: Fenley, Finley, Gosnell
my, it is bewildering-- very interesting to read all these posts- especially, about the McBeth part-- what is a Sept? My Fenley's are in Decatur County, Greensburg, IN. They came from VA. They cleared the land of trees and farmed.. There are some Finley's here, too. This was in the 1820's, I think.. I lost my job, so I have more time to putter around.. Do you know of Gosnell? That is my family, too. thanks-- Janie

Re: FINLEY part of Clan Chattan? or Clan Ferguson?

Posted: 5 Mar 2010 1:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
does client family mean they worked for the head guy>
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