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Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 9 May 2013 2:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Does anyone know what it means? Maybe it is her name which was Sarah.
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Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 23 Jun 2013 3:34AM GMT
Classification: Query
The lower part of the cartouche means god (whether or not this would encompass goddess I don't know, but the ancient Egyptians certainly had a much wider concept of who or even what constituted a diety than most people today).

The lower symbols consists of a little stroke and a cartouche which represents a temple flag/standard. The little stroke tells us that the flag cartouche represents a single word or idea in itself, rather than being part of a phoenetic sequence.

There's loads more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphs
including a picture of the god hieroglyphic in the logogram section (search the article using the word "flag" to find it).

Hope this helps

Neil

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Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 23 Jun 2013 12:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow thanks a lot. this does help. So am I correct to assume the pendent is a symbol of an Egyptian God?

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 6:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Neil and McCollonough Ceili, looks like this cartouche is meant to be worn on a chain around the neck. Is it possible this is jewelry worn by members of a college sorority or other social group/society? Perhaps you could consider what groups in your sister's life might use this as a token? From what Neil posted, it seems the figure of a person might mean "young people." -- Jane - no expert, just interested

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 7:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks. I will ask her mom. I don't know much about her she died before I came to the states.

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 8:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
The first three hieroglyphs in the top line says SRI with a symbol at the end meaning something like concept - which would include a person's name as that is a concept in the sense that there is no particular type of person called a Duncan/Mary/John etc.

I'll now go on to explain all this...

Possibly I could have been clearer in my last posting on this thread, especially as I happen wrongly used cartouche when I meant hieroglyph.

The cartouche is the oval shape bordering the other hieroglyphs and in this case making up the edges of the jewellery. In ancient Egyptian times the cartouche was only used around the names of pharaohs (and only pharaohs were allowed to wear cartouche jewellery).

All pharaohs were gods to the ancient Egyptians, but the god hieroglyph of a flag with a vertical stroke next to it, would not appear in cartouches of pharaohs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartouche

Nowadays cartouche jewellery is widely worn in the context of good luck and warding off evil, as well as for it's aesthetic and souvenir appeal.

I looked at the usual hieroglyphs used for the main Egyptian gods, but I couldn't see anything that fitted.

I then found another hieroglyphs site and the top line says SRI in unilaterals. (Heiroglyphs like Chinese characters are sometimes ideograms and sometimes phoenatics). SRI is close enough to Sarah to make me think that this is what they were getting at especially as hieroglyph phonetics often missed out vowels (resulting in the need for determinant characters like the person at the end of the line to tell you what the word was about as several words could end up with the same hieroglyph sequence without it).

The unilaterals are at the bottom of the following site (which also shows the flag hieroglyph further up on the site).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs_by...

The man as concept hieroglyph (man-seated: arm to
mouth) is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs_by...


Hope this helps

Neil



Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 8:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Oh! So this piece of jewelry perhaps has Sarah's name on it, so to speak. Perhaps it could be purchased in a shop selling such pieces with various names offered. Am I understanding you right Niel? In other words, your current message leads me to think there is no particular significance to the piece (except for perhaps Sarah, who may have had a meaning or memory attached to it). --JC

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 9:06PM GMT
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That is correct. I was just curious as to if it had a translation or not. :-)

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 9:09PM GMT
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Mom thinks she got it in the BVI British Version Islands so maybe it was a tourist thing, even thought the BVI is not close to Egypt .

Re: Found this in my late sisters jewlery box

Posted: 28 Jun 2013 9:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
I think so Falsterden, but I could well be wrong....

I would advise the owner to perhaps make contact with the local university's Department of Archaeology who hopefully in this day and age can flick it by email to someone who knows, even if they don't have a resident Egyptologist.

Neil
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