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Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 5:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am looking for information on Charles Angel that was born about 1876 in Hungary, married to a Marry M Hartman also born in Hungary. Unable to tell what town they were born in off the census, they immigrated from Hungary around 1901 and became naturalized in 1908. I believe the spelling the last name Angel maybe different than the normal spelling , before he came through Ellis Island.

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 6:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Contrary to popular opinion, names were not changed at Ellis Island. Names were written down at the port of departure where those writing the names were familiar with the spellings. That isn't to say that name spellings didn't often change after a person arrived in America for a variety of reasons...but it isn't because their name was changed at Ellis Island.

Joan

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 3:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Where did he live in the U S?

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 4:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 16 Sep 2013 5:33PM GMT
Howka, I found this ..
1940 United States Federal Census about Charles Angel
Name: Charles Angel
Respondent: Yes
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Hungary
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Dover, Morris, New Jersey
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: West Elliott Street
House Number: 90
Inferred Residence in 1935: Dover, Morris, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 8A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 163
Father's Birthplace: Hungary
Mother's Birthplace: Hungary
Occupation: Shoe Repairman
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5000
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 4th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 55
Class of Worker: Working on own account
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: Yes
Native Language: Hungarian
Usual Occupation: Shoe Airepairman
Usual Industry: Own Business
Usual Class of Worker: Working on own account
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Angel 64
Mary Angel 54
Arnold Eckehel 26
Elizabeth Eckehel 21
Jannette Eckehel 5/12

1930 United States Federal Census about Charles Angel
Name: Charles Angel
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Hungary
Race: White
Home in 1930: Dover, Morris, New Jersey
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1901
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Angel
Father's Birthplace: Hungary
Mother's Birthplace: Hungary
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Angel 54
Mary Angel 44
Charles Angel 25
Joseph Angel 24
Elizabeth Angel 11
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1920 United States Federal Census about Charles Angel
Name: Charles Angel
Age: 44
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Hungary
Home in 1920: Dover, Morris, New Jersey
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1900
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary Angel
Father's Birthplace: Hungary
Mother's Birthplace: Hungary
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Angel 44
Mary Angel 34
Charles Angel 15
Joseph Angel 13
Helen E Angel 0
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1910 United States Federal Census about Charley Angel
Name: Charley Angel
Age in 1910: 34
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Hungary
Home in 1910: Dover Ward 1, Morris, New Jersey
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1901
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mary M Angel
Father's Birthplace: Hungary
Mother's Birthplace: Hungary
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charley Angel 34
Mary M Angel 24
Charley Angel 5
Joseph Angel 4
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I also noticed.. it looks like they came through Quebec.. I don't have access to international anymore..

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 4:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 16 Sep 2013 5:00PM GMT
You can find lots of information for free at www.familysearch.org
1905 New Jersey State Census

Household Gender Age Birthplace
Charley Angle M 30
Missaros M Angle F 19
Peter Coptoluco M 29
Charley Angel M 0

The 1920 census, which I accessed at Heritage Quest, shows that Charley and Mary were born in Zemplen, or Zemplin Hungary.

Here is his WWI draft record, which shows his birth as October 15, 1875
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZJG-TYH

Have you looked for Charley's naturalization record - that may tell where in Hungary he was born. I have not found him at Ellis Island, but it is possible he came through Philadelphia instead.

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 16 Sep 2013 5:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
The town is listed below.. it was Dover, Morris, New Jersey

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 17 Sep 2013 2:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for your help. How do I search for naturalization records?

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 17 Sep 2013 8:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
There are some online at www.familysearch.org but you have to browse, they aren't yet indexed.
There are several "batches" that include the year 1908

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2057433

Click on browse, then click Morris County. I would also suggest you post a message on the Morris County New Jersey board, asking for input about local places to look.

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 18 Sep 2013 12:04AM GMT
Classification: Query

"Missaros Mary", born Hungary appx 1886 arrived at same time as "Charles Angel". Someone needs to correct all of those public tree records as Harriett unknown Best Hartman was not her mother.

Mary's parents were born in Hungary. Was someone saying Mary was Mrs. Mary M Angle on the 1905 NJ census ?

Charley Angle M 30
Missaros M Angle F 19
Peter Coptoluco M 29
Charley Angel M 0

Someone needs to obtain Mary's death record to see what her maiden name really was or copy of her SS5.

Given Name: Mary
Middle Name:
Surname: Angle
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 9 January 1887
Social Security Number: 147-42-4535
State: New Jersey
Last Place of Residence: Morris Plains, Morris, New Jersey
Previous Residence Postal Code: 07950
Event Date: January 1971
Age: 84

06 June 1900 Byram township, Brooklyn borough, Sussex, NJ
Head William Hartman 69 New Jersey Dec 1831 married 18 yrs
Wife Hattie B Hartman 52 New Jersey Jan 1848 bore 5 children 4 living
Daughter Dasy D Sutton 23 New Jersey Dec 1877 married 3 yrs bore 2 children says 1 living
Son-in-law Frank F Sutton New Jersey

Harriett/Hattie was living with the Sutton's 1910 census, mother in law age 62 born NJ widow bore 5 children 4 living parents born NJ. They were all living in same household on James Street, Hattie was Daisy's mother not Mary's. Unknown who Daisy's father was as Hattie's 1st husband Jesse Best died 02 Jan 1876 in Sussex County unless Daisy was actually born in Dec 1876.

1920 Dover, Morris, NJ
Frank Sutton 46 NJ died 1949 buried Stanhope Union Cem in Netcong, Morris Co
Daisy S Sutton 43 NJ
son Arnold Sutton 19 NJ
mother in law Harriett Hartman 72 NJ
then the Angel's are listed under Harriett Hartman.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=ha...;
Hattie B Hartman
1848-1926
Family links:
Children:
"Her Son" Marcena Best 1870 - 1893
both names on same headstone
Name: Marcena M. Best
Gender: Female
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 27 Sep 1893
Death Place: Rockaway, Morris, New Jersey
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1870
Birthplace: U.S.
Occupation: R R Flagman
Race:
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace: U.S.
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: U.S.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B06614-4
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
GS Film number: 589797
Reference ID: v 41 p 104
Citing this Record
"New Jersey Deaths and Burials, 1720-1988," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/

According to 1930 census Charles was 28 when he married & Mary was 18 that would have been about 1903 after they arrived in New Jersey. Unfortunate that Charles did not register for WWII draft in 1942 or died after 1940 census and before that date. That record gives place of birth.

Name: Frank Sutton
Birth Date: 1874
Birthplace:
Age: 22
Spouse's Name: Daisy D Best
Spouse's Birth Date: 1877
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 19
Event Date: 24 Mar 1896
Event Place: Stanhope, Sussex, New Jersey
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02734-4
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
GS Film number: 589815
Reference ID: p 298 n 42
Citing this Record
"New Jersey, Marriages, 1678-1985," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org

Unable to locate Daisy D Best in 1880 census. William Hartman was in Stanhope, Sussex Co NJ 1880 census married to 1st wife Sarah b. NJ 1840 and her mother Mollie Benson b. NJ 1808.

1880 Stanhope, Sussex, NJ
Harriet Best 31 born NJ widower
dtr Ida Z Best 13 NJ married Andrew J Wilson 10 Dec 1887 Hackettstown, Warren Co
son Marsene Best 09 NJ
son Harry N Best 08 NJ shows up in Essex Co in 1900 married 18 Dec 1895 in Dover, Morris Co Emma Ceak then found in Dover, Morris Co 1920 & 1930 census.


1885 Byram, Sussex, NJ
William Hartman M
Hatty Hartman F
Andrew Best M
Harry Best M
Daisey Best F

1870 Roxbury, Morris, NJ
Jesse Best 26 NJ
Harriet Best 23 NJ
Ida Best 04 NJ
Andrew Best 2 NJ

Name: Jesse Best
Gender: Male
Burial Date:
Burial Place:
Death Date: 02 Jan 1876
Death Place: Stanhope, New Jersey
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1844
Birthplace: Sussex Co., N.J.
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Andrew
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Catharine
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B06651-5
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
GS Film number: 494140
Reference ID: v BB p 327

1880 Byram, Sussex, NJ
Andrew Best 1814 NJ
Mary J Best 1820 NJ
dtr Mercy Best 1846 NJ
grandson Andrew J Best Jr born 14 May 1868 NJ married Minnie White 1889 Sussex Co & found in Morris Co 1900 then returned to Stanhope, Sussex Co. Andrew died 23 Feb 1951 buried Stanhope Union Cemetery in Netcong, Morris County, wife Minnie died in 1943

1850; Census Place: Roxbury, Morris, New Jersey; Roll: M432_458; Page: 203A; Image: 411.
Andrew Best 36
Sarah McWilliams Best 35
George Best 16
Wilson Best 14
Rhuhamy Best 11
Theodore F Best 11
John Best 9
Jesse Best 6
Nancy Best 4
Nathanael Best 2
Luther M Best 0


Name: Wm. S. Hartman
Birth Date: 1836
Birthplace:
Age: 45
Spouse's Name: Hattie D. Sidanean
Spouse's Birth Date: 1848
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 33
Event Date: 21 Jan 1881
Event Place: Hackettstown, Warren, New Jersey, United States
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I08859-7
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
GS Film number: 495697
Reference ID:

Peter Coptoluco b. 1876 in 1905 household in Morris, NJ
with the Angel's not found in any other record in Morris County or elsewhere.

Re: Charley Angel b: abt. 1876 in Hungary

Posted: 18 Sep 2013 3:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
It looks like the confusion over Hattie being Mary's Mother was the way the Census was originally written down. There were house and family numbers written next to Hattie's name, making it appear she was in the Angel household. The numbers were then crossed out, but when the census was transcribed at sites like Family Search, the transcriber left her as head of household with the Angel's, . I am thinking the house and family numbers should have gone next to Charley Angel, but were not. There is nothing we can do about the original census records, but at least at Ancestry, a comment can be put to go with the census.
That's why we are supposed to analyze what we find - it would be possible for Mary Angel's Mom to be born in the US and to go to Poland with a husband, and give birth, but not likely.
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