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Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 3 Jul 2011 6:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Jul 2011 11:57AM GMT
Surnames: Bind
Harold Edward Brind is My Great Grandfather. He was deported from England in 1911 at the age of 16/17 years of age. From stories I heard from the years stated that he might of stolen a horse? I can't believe this though a crime like this does not call for deportation. I am trying to find court papers or some kind of legal papers stating his crime and deportation evidence. Can any one help me get started in the right direction. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 3 Jul 2011 5:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
First of all you would probably do better to post on the English "General" Board. This is the Board for the Historical British Empire. Seondly your gt.grandfather just might have been "transported" to Australia in 1811 for stealing a horse but he would then be unlikely to be your gt.grandfather, more like.gt.gt.gt.gt. And he could not have been "deported" anyway if he was born in England because only foreigners can be deported back to their own countries. Finally you will only be able to find records if you know where he came from. If he was 16/17 in 1911 he should definitely be recorded in the births section of the Free BMD so that should be easy to trace.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 4 Jul 2011 11:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 4 Jul 2011 11:43AM GMT
Dear Halpark,

I would just like to comment on your remark, "First of all you would probably do better to post on the English "General" Board. This is the Board for the Historical British Empire."

The original post is appropriate for this board.

But you are correct in that boards for the UK have a larger readership since they are older, established boards.

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles/mb.ashx

Sincerely,

Joan Asche
Board Admin

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 4 Jul 2011 11:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
As you wish, but the original query seemed to be specifically about England, narrowed to Wiltshire, with no connection to anything "Empire". Are you saying that simple questions about England/English should appear on a board which specifies "Empire"? A bit confused, sorry.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 4 Jul 2011 12:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
The post taken in context states that the ancestor was deported (transported) and I made the assumption that the ancestor may have been transported to Australia. Or perhaps the ancestor was deported back to his home country -- The post isn't clear. Regardless, I let it remain for any reader who had more detailed information.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 6 Jul 2011 2:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Although still of the opinion you could do better on the England General Board, or better still, the Wiltshire Board, have had a quick look at Free BMD and cannot see any birth entry for a Harold Edward Brind between 1890-1900. However it might be worth trawling further. A Harold Brind (no dob) did leave Liverpool for Quebec in 1911 (Ancestorsonboard, needs subscription for further information) but as you give no indication of where your grandfather went it is impossible to know if it could be him. Hope this helps anyway.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 17 Nov 2012 8:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
The Harold Edward Brind that went to Quebec via Liverpool is the correct one. He was born in 1894, Brightwell, Berkshire. His father Thomas is from Aldbourne,Wiltshire and further back. The story about the stolen horse is family tradition.. Either go to prison or Canada... It seems at that time a lot of children from homes/orphanages etc were sent to the colonies.. I also saw about a year or so ago that the British govt apologised as a lot of the children were mistreated.. It would be handy to know how to find the official records of why he was sent away as he was not an orphan.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 18 Nov 2012 12:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Had almost forgotten this! I think there are two points which need serious consideration. Whatever the "family tradition", being given the choice of "Prison or Canada" is impossible. Canada was never used as a penal colony. Until the American Revolution, the US states were used as penal colonies but all that came to an end when GB recognised US independence. Australia was then used, from c. 1792 to 1868 when the system ended but it had been declining in use for some years before that. In the later 19th and well into the 20th century, there were schemes to send homeless, orphaned or abandoned children to the colonies to give them a new start in life, a better deal than roaming the streets of 19th century industrial cities. I think the original idea was basically good but unfortunately it was catastrophic for many. Farmers were perhaps the worst, they offered the children a new "home" which turned out to be nothing but a chance to get cheap labour. Many were sent to schools where they were supposed to be educated and trained for their new lives but again were seriously exploited. Some of the religious institutions were the worst offenders here. If you look under Orphans and Orphanages you will find there is a specific Board for British Home Children. However I think you will find another problem with this approach. Your Harold would have been 16, possibly 17, when he went to Canada so he would not have been a "child" or in any sort of institution. In 1911 the school-leaving age was 12 when a child could get a "Labour Certificate" saying they had reached a minimum level of basic education. A few stayed a bit longer, it depended on circumstances but he would not have been sent in any group of "children". My best guess is that there is a family story behind this - perhaps he misbehaved in some way and the family sent him to Canada to save face, or he fell out with his family and just went and someone did not want to broadcast the details to all and sundry. In this case there would be no "records" apart from his passage and immigration application. I still think you would be more likely to get help if you post on the Wiltshire Board and, as you say he was born in Berkshire, the Berkshire Board. There may be someone who recognises the name - even searching the same family. I do not think that is very likely on this Board but hope what I have said helps a bit.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 18 Nov 2012 12:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
May I ask what record you have of his birth? Just out of curiousity I looked in the Free BMD and as this is not a common name there are only a few entries and there does not seem to be any record of birth for a Harold Edward Brind in, or around, 1894. If the birth date is wrong it could make all the difference to any lines you chase up.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Posted: 18 Nov 2012 1:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
Back yet again! I was looking on the Berkshire Board for my own ends and there is somewhere there under user name tonyahaney who is looking for Harold Edwad Brind and another person has said there is a birth entry for 1894 which I must have missed, but the birth is in Wallingford. As said, the Berkshire Bolard could be a better bet.
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