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Trying to find church or parish book

Posted: 20 Feb 2006 5:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am trying to acquire a church or parish book or the information in them for the Roa or Bogstad area near Oslo.
I am writing a family history and my grandma and her parents lived at Bogstad farm from about 1898 to about 1910.
My great grandparents names were Johan E. Johnson and Lina Marie Hanson. They were both born in about 1885 or so.
Johan's father was Elias Johnson who was from Sweden.

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

Gunnar Gallis (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 7:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
You will probably find your folks here:http://www.ager.no/Sorkedalen/Bogstad.htm#Elias_Jonason_VPor...
Let me know if you need some translation
Gunnar

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

Gunnar Gallis (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 7:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
You will probably find your folks here:http://www.ager.no/Sorkedalen/Bogstad.htm#Elias_Jonason_VPor...
Let me know if you need some translation
Gunnar

http://www.ager.no/Sorkedalen/

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

lisa pearson (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 1:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't read norwegian. If someone could help me I would really appreciate it. This is my great, great grandfather and his family.

Neste brukerfamilie var Elias Jonason 1840- og Emilie Fredrikke Fredriksdtr 1856-, datter av Fredrik Andersen på Østre Portstue. Elias og Emilie Fredrikke ble gift 1876. Elias Jonason var sønn av Jonas Ingebretson fra Dalsland i Sverige, og er kalt Jonson/Johnson ved noen anledninger. Fødselsår varierer mellom 1835 og 1845 i hht. folketellinger (mens 8.1.1840 er i fra Aker kirkebok). Elias og Emilie Fredrikke bodde på Aarnes 1879 (hvor Elias var "arbeider"), på Skuggen 1881 og på Vestre Portstue 1884-1900. Der var de husmannsfolk ved folketellingene 1891 og 1900. De var ikke i Sørkedalen 1917. Elias og Emilie Fredrikke hadde barna;

Elise Amalie Eliasdtr 1876-
Josefine Mathilde Eliasdtr 1878-
Fredrik Viktor Eliassen 1881-1888
Johan Edvin Eliassen 1884-
Elfrida Charlotte Eliasdtr 1887-
Mahtilde Ida Eliasdtr 1890-1892
Viktor Alfred Eliassen 1892-
Olga Eliasdtr 1897-1899
Kristian Ferdinand Eliassen 1899-

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

Gunnar Gallis (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 2:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
The next family use the farm(cotters) was Elias ---- and Emilie----doughter of Fredrik------- at "Eastern Gatecabin" Østre Portstue. Elias and -- got married 1876. Elias -- was the son of Jonas ---- from Dalsland in Sweden, and is called (has the name) Jonson / Johnson / in some connections. The year of birt varies between 1835 and 1845 according to different censuses( but 8.1,1840 is from the Aker churchbook) Elias and Emilie F. lived at Aarnes 1879 (where Elias was "worker"), at "Skuggen" 1881 and at "Western Gatecabin" Vestre Portstue 1884-1900.
They were listed as cotters in the census of 1891 and 1900.
They were not in Sørkedalen 1917. Elias and Frederikke had the children;

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

lisa pearson (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 5:35PM GMT
Classification: Query

Thank you so much. From the information you gave me I was able to connect to some more relatives on that website. Could I possibly get you to translate a little more. It is listed below.

[Østre Portstue] (1861- ?)

Ved en del anledninger er betegnelsen "nordre" brukt.

Fredrik Andersen 1829-1913 og Anne Martine Kristoffersdtr 1824-c.1910 ble gift 1850 og var de første brukerne på Østre Portstue. De er første gang nevnt til til plassen ved manntallet 1861. Imidlertid er det trolig at de bodde der allerede i 1850-årene. Fredrik var født på Fossum-eie i Østre Bærum og var visstnok av finneslekt. Faren het Anders Olsen Silstrøm og moren Maria Eriksdtr. 

Dag Fredriksen er en av Fredriks etterkommere og har mye informasjon om Fredrik og hans etterslekt. Dag har en etterlysning ute om Fredriks foreldre (aner) og hvor de kom fra. 

Fredrik Andersens kone Anne Martine Kristoffersdtr, var datter av Kristoffer Pedersen og Kristine Mortensdtr og ble født utenfor ekteskap (hos besteforeldrene) på Hoff-eie i Vestre Aker. Foreldrene var begge tjenestefolk på Stubberud i Sørkedalen, og ble gift 1825. Anne Martine vokste opp på Nord-Stubberud (Stubberudberget) i Sørkedalen hvor foreldrene var husmannsfolk. Fredrik og Anne Martine var på Østre Portstue fra minst 1861 til 1910. Fra 1874 finnes en husmannskontrakt som Fredrik inngikk med Bogstad-godsets eier Herman Wedel-Jarlsberg. Fredrik og Anne Martine hadde mange barn hvorav flere fikk stor etterslekt;

* Kristian Fredriksen 1851-, ble gm. Karen Jørgensdtr 1856-, datter av Jørgen Rasmussen Tangen (senere Svartorseter). De var husmannsfolk på øvre Skuggen fra minst 1891-1917.
* Maren Kristine Fredriksdtr 1855-
* Emilie Fredrikke Fredriksdtr 1856-, ble 1876 gm. Elias Jonason 1840- fra Dalsland i Sverige (Jonson/Johnson ved noen anledninger, og med fødselsår varierende mellom 1835 og 1845. 1840 er i hht. vielsen). De var på Aarnes 1879, på Skuggen 1881 og på Vestre Portstue 1884-1900. 1917 var de ikke i Sørkedalen. 
* Martin Fredriksen 1858-
* Johan Fredriksen 1863-1951, ble 1) gm. Agnes Gunvilde Sørensdtr 1865-1896, datter av Søren Aanonsen fra Kristiansand i Vest-Agder (de bodde i Havestuen på Røa Mellem), 2) gm. Inger Johanne Fredriksen 1869- fra Hole i Buskerud (Ringerike). De bodde 1900 i Havestuen Røa Mellem, deretter i Vækerøveien på Røa. De hadde bl.a. barna Sverre Eugen Fredriksen 1890-1894 og Sverre Fredriksen 1894-1956. Sistnevnte ble 1920 gm. Ingeborg Karlsen 1897-1960, datter av Gustaf Olav Karlsen fra Bærum og Karoline Johannesdtr fra Smedstua i Sørkedalen (datter av Johannes Jensen Smedstua og Ingeborg Andreasdtr Langlia). Ingeborg og hennes foreldre bodde 1900 på Grimelundsbraaten i Vestre Aker. Sverre Fredriksen og Ingeborg Karlsen bodde først på husmannsplassen Allergodt u/Huseby søndre i Vestre Aker, og kom etter hvert til villa Granli i Sørkedalsveien 209 på Røa. De var for øvrig femmenninger, med Axel Hansen c.1708-1771 og Dorte Pedersdtr c.1726-1778 fra Venner som felles opphav.
* Anton Fredriksen 1866-1868
* Karl Anton Fredriksen 1869-

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

Gunnar Gallis (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 8:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
( A farmer renting the farm is called a "bruker"- I will translate it to" user", not farmer)
Østre Portstue
In some connections the name "northern" used.
FA ++got married 1850 and was the first users at ØP. They are first mentioned with the farm in the 1861census. It is probably so that they already lived there in the 1850s. Fredrik was born on Fossum-eie in Eastern Bærum and was appereantly of finn(ish) origin. The father was called-- and the mother--. Dag F.is one of Fredriks descendants and has a lot of information about Fredrik and his posterity. Dag has a search going of Fredriks origin and where they came from. FA wife AMK was doughter of KP and KM and was born extra material (at her grandparents) on Hoff-eie in Vestre Aker The parents both were farm workers on Stubberud in Sørkedalen, and got married 1825 AM grew op on Nord Stubberud (Stubberudberget) in Sørkedalen where the parents were cotters. F and AM were on Østre Portstue at least from 1861 to 1910 From 1878 is there a cotters contract that F entered with the Bogstad manors owner Herman Wedel Jarlsberg.(now you are close to Norwegian national history) F and AM had many children, many of them have a large posterity.
*KF married to KJ--doughter of JRT(later Svartorseter) They were cotters at upper Skuggen at least 1891-1917
*MKF
*EFF married EJ
*MF
*JF married AGS doughter of SA from K in VA (they lived in Havestuen (garden cottage) at middle Røa, later Værkerøveien on Røa They had amongst others the children SEF and SF The latter married 1920 IK, doughter of GOK from Bærum and KJ from Smedstua (smiths cottage) in Sørkedalen(doughter of JJS and IAL
Ingeborg and her parents lived 1900 on Grimelundsbraaten in Vestre Aker. SF and IK first stayed at the cotters place Allergodt under southern Huseby in Vestre Aker and came in time to villa Granli Sørkedalsveien 209 on Røa, They were 5th. cusins with AH andDP (from friends with common ancestors)
*AF
*KAF
Hope you can undestand it!
Gunnar

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

lisa pearson (View posts)
Posted: 20 Feb 2006 9:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much

Re: Trying to find church or parish book

Posted: 25 Mar 2013 8:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
Found this query while googling Elias Jonsen on the web. He is actually my great great grandfather, and his son Victor is my great grandfather .

Best regards
Per Reinhart Johnsen
Norway
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