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Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 11 Jul 2012 6:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
I find this most interesting. There are no Finns or even Russians in my tree but in comparing the matches for my 6% of this particular ethnicity (I know it's not an exact match and do understand how the test gets its results), I see many others with right around the same percentage. So, how did it get there? Were there marauders from the steppes who provided non-consensual conception? Any theories?

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 17 Jul 2012 11:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Bio-geographical ancestry (BGA) analysis is not an exact science. The 6% just means that portion of your autosomal DNA was similar to whichever reference samples they're using to represent that label. It doesn't necessarily mean you have any ancestry from that area. Or it could be deep ancestry from thousands of years ago.

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 24 Jul 2012 2:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
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Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 12 Sep 2012 11:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Sep 2012 5:47PM GMT
I am listed as 21 percent Finnish Uralic, which should be impossible given That my known ancestry comes from the Atlantic seaboard of Europe, from Scotland to Portugal with the vast majority coming from Western France and about 25 percent from England. I didn't even match Eastern European or Scandinavian, so how I lept across the Urals is a mystery. I do realize this is the BETA phase, but can anyone entire to guess what my story might be?

Followup: I consulted a Biology professor about this. He says that it is likely that it's my tiny percentage of American Indian DNA that is showing up here. I guess that means it is pulling my European results into Asia.

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 2 Oct 2012 2:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
In my case, it confirmed my more ancient ancestry that had been fables until now. I was told, specifically, by the results, that I have Viking ancestry..... back then there was pillage and plunder tactics, with lots of battles for land.

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 6 Oct 2012 6:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
I had a similar situation. I am only 66% Central European while being 22% Scandavian and 12% Finnish-Volga/Ural. I have traced all my family lines back at least 300 years and some back 500 years with all ancestors living in Germany, Luxembourg and Switzerland. So I was very suprised to have 1/3 of my DNA from regions I have never found a connection to. It must be from 500-1000 years ago or more.

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 9 Oct 2012 1:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
That is very interesting, if at all possible, for Native American DNA to be popping up as Finnish/Volga. I show up with 7% in my results, and this has completely mystified me. I was hoping to see some Native American results, and did not.. I do have 3% uncertain, and figured it was such a small amount that it was part of that 3%. My family (mom's father side) supposedly has Native American background. Would love to hear/read more about what the biology professor (or others) would say on this!

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 10 Oct 2012 11:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
I had my DNA done last summer by FTDNA. They gave me the raw data, so I sent it to a professor at the university of Illinois, who came back with different results than FTDNA did. Ancestry.com is not releasing the raw data so this can be done. FTDNA found no native American in me, but he found about half of one percent. I know that no-one in my family tree came from east of Alsace, so the Finnish is just wrong, unless it were similar with the rest of French Canadian or English gene pool, and I doubt it is.

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 11 Oct 2012 12:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
As is always mentioned in these threads, the F/VU might be wayyy back, beyond the paper trail, or perhaps on one of the missing branches that multiply so quickly and are so easy to forget about.

I also have 7% F/VU on here. I got my raw data from another company this week and, after using it to get a BGA from Dr. McDonald and from, I think, every single one of the jillion web-based tools out there (*grin*), my head is spinning a little, lol. I'm everything!

Everyone (except Ancestry and 23andMe) is giving me results for Native American, but the amount is still so small (1% that stands out, with dribbles elsewhere) that I don't think that (in my case) it's what Ancestry is labeling as F/VU.

Every analysis seems to have different "borders," and even those borders are often more of a general impression. For example, I just looked at my MDLP World-22 analysis to see if anything was around 7% and might be what Ancestry calls F/VU. Hmmm, 8% West Asian?

When I check the "West Asian" map on the MDLP website, the lighter sections do overlap the F/VU areas on Ancestry's map. "West Asian" also covers parts of Europe, although those same parts of Europe are more strongly represented by other labels. It seems that thinking with fuzzy borders and migration over centuries in mind is really important.

Dr. McDonald gave me 99% Western Europe, concentrating around Britain. Ancestry gave me 75% British, Eastern Europe (a surprise), and the F/VU plus 3% Uncertain. Other BGA tools reveal many other little bits further east and south. So, who is right? Maybe everyone, depending on how you look at it, haha.

The good news is that Ancestry is going to make raw data available in some form, which means they're listening to us. (I know it might not be in the form we want, but we'll keep giving them "listening opportunities" until they do, right?) When that's available, people will (hopefully) learn more, think more broadly than what they "know" from their paper research, and maybe they'll also nag Ancestry to justify its current BGA labels so we can learn from that. (Sorry, Ancestry! You know we fans criticize you because we love you and want you to be super-awesome, right?)

Just be glad you aren't with 23andMe. Right now they only have three categories: European, African, Asian/NA. They didn't even pick up my smidge of NA, let alone my .28% Pygmy. Harumph! :)

Re: Where might the Finnish/Volga-Ural DNA portion come from?

Posted: 11 Oct 2012 4:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
This post was deleted by the author on 29 Nov 2012 8:08PM GMT
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