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Scot-Irish?

Posted: 5 Jul 2006 9:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Patrick
What is the difference between Scot-Irish and Irish?What time period did the Scot-Irish emigrate to the United States?

Re: Scot-Irish?

Posted: 6 Jul 2006 12:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have read and recommend the book The Scotch Irish A Social History by James G. Leyburn. It is my understanding that the Scotch Irish immigrated to the New World in the 1700s and came for religious and economic reasons and were protestant while the Irish Catholic's imigrated in the mid 1800s during the potatoe famine.

Re: Scot-Irish? Identity

R Templeton (View posts)
Posted: 11 Jul 2006 10:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ms. Rohrer has it in a nutshell as to the who/what/when. I'd just add that the Scots-Irish (I prefer 'Scotch-Irish', as they were known at the time) originated almost wholly in the Lowlands of Scotland, and according to every account I've read, kept themselves quite distinct, culturally and religiously, from Catholic Irish. I gather they could get a bit prickly about being called "Irish" once here in the Colonies.

Re: Scot-Irish? Identity

Posted: 11 Jul 2006 11:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Roger.

If I remember right Mr. Leyburn's book placed the Scotish people in Ireland for about one hundred years before England made political choices that they felt impacted thier economic well being and they moved on to the New World. Thier migration patterns can be traced here as being somewhat parallel to the Palatine people except they tended to get to the areas prior to. Much of our mountain people's in KY and TN etc decended from this group. I believe I purchased Mr. Leyburn's book at the Smokey Mountain National Park bookstore.

There are not a lot of land records available on these folks as they often squatted and it seems like I havent had a lot of luck with the Presbyterian Church records either.

There is Chalkley's Chronicals for the VA area.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/


Has anyone found any other good sources?

Mary

Re: Scot-Irish?

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 5:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello Latonia:

"Scot-Irish" or "Scotch-Irish" are "Americanisms." Meaning, that is the only place in the world that we are known by that tag. The rest of the world will refer to us as Ulster Scots.

The term has come into existance to describe those peoples...and descendants there of.... who were sent from Scotland to Ireland by the English king to hold the Plantations. The families were mostly Lowland Scots from border area and a bit north, but not the Highand area. Lowland Scots, generally are more in the category of Noble Families than Clans... although there are clans in the lowlands... but that is a topic for another discussion.

The Ulster Scots settled and managed the Plantations for a couple of hundred years and did not tend to intermarry with the Irish. They maintained their Scottish identity. And the Irish may not have received them too kindly as they were "invaders" after a fashion. Intermarrying seemingly was not desired by either party and each kept to their own.

The confusion comes in when they began to immigrate to America.

The immigrants clearly had just gotten off a boat from Ireland. Their families had lived in Ireland for 100 years or more. And yet, they maintained, insisted, they were Scottish and not Irish. In the course of 100 years of immigration from the Plantations, they began to be known in
America as "Scots-Irish" or "Scotch-Irish". It was not a term immediately attributed to them.

And to this day, Americans of this descent will have their preference. "Scotch" as a descriptor of someone of Scottish descent is not accepted by most of Scottish descent, as it is something the English called us. Scotch is something one drinks. "Scots" is the preferred descriptor. Some people carry this over to the "Scots/Scotch-Irish" term. However, in this useage, "Scotch-Irish" is equally appropriate and acceptable as "Scots-Irish."

The American Heritage Dictionary provides the following definition:
Scotch-I·rish n. 1. The people of Scotland who settled in northern Ireland or their descendants, especially those who emigrated to America. adj. 1. Of or relating to the Scotch-Irish.

The typical immigration pattern is from Ulster to Pennsylvania and from there spreading to the Appalachias and beyond.

Timing is 1700-1800s.

You have already been given Lyman as a resource. You will also want to explore Hanna's research.

Yours Aye,

Lauren M. Boyd, FSA Scot
President
Scottish Information Society
A Scot-Irish Descendant

ps Re: Scot-Irish?

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 5:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
As Don Wiggins pointed out in his post to this board in 2005, there is an excellent site that tells more about the Scot-Irish and their immigration/population details.

http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Scotch-Irish.html

Re: Scot-Irish?

Posted: 30 Mar 2009 2:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: White, Chapman, Baize, Daugherty, Evans, Logsdon, Burden, Deweese,,,,,,
Hello Lauren and anyone who can answer my question. There used to be a Scots/Irish message board on Rootsweb. Does anyone know if it is still going and if so, how could I find it? Thanks anyone for any help.
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