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Tecumseh genealogy

Posted: 20 Feb 2001 11:36AM GMT
Edited: 28 Jun 2001 3:28PM GMT
...anyone know of an online site displaying descendants of Tecumseh?

thanks,

john

Tecumseh-descendants

Posted: 7 Mar 2001 5:07PM GMT
Edited: 24 Apr 2002 9:35PM GMT
Dear John Mohdom,
I am descendant of Tecumesh thru my dad`s mom`s side-Barker-Edgell-Trader-Ice-Galloway.
I must tell you that Tecumseh himself was never actually a Chief-although he was one of the greatest leaders of his Algonkian Nation -Shawnee tribal- Kispoko sept.Tecumseh was a magnificent leader & orator-Tecumseh predicted that his 7th generation would be regathering the tribes-& this has been my desire to unite with all my fellow tribes-descendants of our Great tribal leader Tecumseh. His dad was Chief Pucksinwah his mother was Methotasa.Do you have a quere I might help with? Mary

Tecumseh Descendants

Posted: 8 Mar 2001 9:23AM GMT
Edited: 28 Jun 2001 3:28PM GMT
>I am descendant of Tecumesh thru my dad`s mom`s side-Barker-Edgell-Trader-Ice-Galloway.
I must tell you that Tecumseh himself was never actually a Chief-

yes, I've heard and read quite a bit about him. I knew he was not a Chief of the whole tribe but was a war leader of the interdivisional fighters.

>Tecumseh predicted that his 7th generation would be regathering the tribes-& this has been my desire to unite with all my fellow tribes-descendants of our Great tribal leader Tecumseh.

I was wondering if anyone was doing this; is there a group of people working on this?

>Do you have a quere I might help with?

In some parts of my family there has been a rumor of descendancy from Tecumseh. I will point out that no one has said it was documented or even true...only rumored. If I remember correctly it had to do with a third marriage of Tecumseh and may have something to do with children of Henry Harvey the Quaker missionary to the reservations while they were in Ohio and later the reservation in Kansas.

As I've said, I've done a fair amount of reading on the topic and, as you may know, what is written is often contradictory and I suspect often false. I'm approaching this from the perspective of a family (Flint) historian and genealogist. To me it is just as valuable to document we are not descendant from someone as it is to show we are (I can not trace my Shawnee family history prior to 1830 when we arrived on the Kansas reservation).

Just to help with what I do know:
my Shawnee gggrandfather was Levi Collins Flint (born approx. 1828), he married Stella Ann Harvey (born approx. 1835)...she was Omaha and French. I know her father's name was Raymond (I suspect he was the French side)

Levi's father was Joseph Flint and his mother was Jane (Qua-he-kah); I don't have dates for them.

In order for any of the rumors to work, I'm guessing there would have to be a connection through one of those people. Quite frankly, between all I've read and what know about my family, there appears to be a disconnect; but as I said, finding out one way is just as good as finding out otherwise.

Most sources state Tecumseh had one son with
one wife, and some sources say he had another son with another. However, with the exception of descendants through Thomas Alford, I haven't seen much genealogy on the topic.

I understand some descendants do not wish to give out family information any further than necessary, that is why I included my family information as far back as I can go so you can see if there is any connection then share what information you are comfortable with.

thank you,

john

Tecumseh/Bluejacket

Posted: 11 Mar 2001 3:07PM GMT
Edited: 30 Jun 2001 2:13AM GMT
I don't know if it will help you or not, bt there is alot of info on War Chief Bluejacket and am told that he was brother to Tecumseh. The Shawnee' have an office in Miami, Ok. and Seneca, Mo. There are several books available on the Shawnee's. A good one is Warrior Of Shawnees by John Sugden. It has a lot of info and pictures in it.
Kathy Bluejacket

Tecumseh/Bluejacket

Posted: 12 Mar 2001 5:44AM GMT
Edited: 28 Jun 2001 3:28PM GMT
>I don't know if it will help you or not, bt there is alot of info on War Chief Bluejacket and am told that he was brother to Tecumseh.

As I understand it Bluejacket was an adopted
brother of Tecumseh.

> The Shawnee' have an office in Miami, Ok. and Seneca, Mo.

I've had contact with the Eastern Shawnee in Seneca (actually, I spent my preschool years in Seneca and I keep intending to go down and visit).

>There are several books available on the Shawnee's. A good one is Warrior Of Shawnees by John Sugden. It has a lot of info and pictures in it.

Well, there are lots of books. I've read quite a few and there is a fair amount of contradiction between them and a fair variation of opinion on their accuracy. However, I have read the two Sugden books on Tecumseh and the one on Bluejacket. I happen to think Sugden is the best of the writers on the topic. His research seems to be quite well done and his perspective in approaching his topics as human beings rather than myths or legends is a perspective I appreciate.

However, Tecumseh's genealogy (probably because of his legend) is not clear in any of the books I've read. Internet sources I've seen are, at times, contradictory. I'm looking for his descendants because of a rumored relationship in my family (note: I'm pretty sure there isn't a relationship; I'm approaching this as a family history project so disconformation is as good as confirmation...personally, I can't trace the Shawnee side of the family back past 1830...the group that became Loyal).

>Kathy Bluejacket

With that name are you a Bluejacket descendant? That's just a matter of curiosity, I am acquainted with others. I understand this stuff isn't always discussed publicly; if you wish to email I'm at: johnmohdom@mindspring.com.

thanks,

john

Kathy Bluejacket

Posted: 14 Mar 2001 12:24PM GMT
Edited: 24 Apr 2002 9:35PM GMT
Dear Kathy,
Thank you for response.You are descendant of Bluejacket-Tecumseh`s adopted white brother? Welcome.Did you hear that Tecumseh predicted that his 7th generation would reunite? I am descendant of Tecumseh of the Shawnee Kispoko sept on my dad`s mom`s side.
I have "A Sorrow In Our Heart-The Life of Tecumseh" by Allan W. Eckert & & Tecumseh`s Last Stand" by John Sugden & "Tecumseh-A Life" by John Sugden & "Panther In The Sky" by James Alexander Thom & "Shawnee" by James H. Howard & "The War of 1812" by Henry Adams.I`ll check out that site you posted, thanks. Mary

Kathy Bluejacket

Posted: 14 Mar 2001 12:24PM GMT
Edited: 24 Apr 2002 9:35PM GMT
Dear Kathy,
Thank you for response.You are descendant of Bluejacket-Tecumseh`s adopted white brother? Welcome.Did you hear that Tecumseh predicted that his 7th generation would reunite? I am descendant of Tecumseh of the Shawnee Kispoko sept on my dad`s mom`s side.
I have "A Sorrow In Our Heart-The Life of Tecumseh" by Allan W. Eckert & & Tecumseh`s Last Stand" by John Sugden & "Tecumseh-A Life" by John Sugden & "Panther In The Sky" by James Alexander Thom & "Shawnee" by James H. Howard & "I Have Spoken" by Virginia Irving Armstrong & "The War of 1812" by Henry Adams.I`ll check out that site you posted, thanks. Mary
Posted: 14 Mar 2001 6:56PM GMT
Edited: 30 Jun 2001 2:13AM GMT
Mary, No I am not a descendant of Bluejacket, my husband is. Bluejacket was not a white man adopted by Tecumseh's family. It has been proven that he was an Indian also. They did DNA testing last year from the remains of the original Bluejacket grave and several of the men in the Bluejacket line and the Von Swearingen line. Bluejacket didn't match the Von Swearingen line at all. I am not sure how they do it but they say the bones are Native American. There is another trying to trace the Tecumseh line, his name is John Mohdom. I think he has a message on this board, maybe you can help him out. Hope to hear from you again. Kathy(Adams) Bluejacket

Bluejacket

Posted: 15 Mar 2001 2:33PM GMT
Edited: 24 Apr 2002 9:35PM GMT
Kathy,
Hi again! Thank you for the update on Bluejacket.That is fascinating, that they can check DNA to verify.I wonder if he was son from Chief Pucksinwah`s other previous marriage,before Methotasa.Loud Noise said something to that effect, as far as his dad being married in John Sugden`s "Tecumseh-A Life", around pg. 15. Yes,I am aware of John`s connection.I will help John some more if I can.Take care & stay in touch.Mary

suggested reading

Posted: 15 Mar 2001 4:15PM GMT
Edited: 24 Apr 2002 9:35PM GMT
Dear John Mohdem,
Were your tribal people removed in the 1830 Indian Removal Act or the 1831-39 removal? You say your Shawnee Gr.Gr. Grandfather was born 1828,& his Omaha & French wife abt 1835.Maybe we can search more on Levi`s dad Joseph Flint who was married to Jane (Qua-he-kah)which would be about 20 years prior,probably around three rivers area or Ohio? Do you know if Joseph fought in the war of 1812? I`ll see what I can find out for you.You know, as a longshot, there is the possibility they were removed during the Carolina Cherokee removal.I`ll see if I can find out anything on Flint for you.This has been a lifelong desire of mine,to see if I can do my part to right a wrong of the past-to get reparations & restoration for the living descendants of all the Tribal People.
Yes, I too have heard mixed messages on Tecumseh`s parentage,but we still believe that Chief Pucksinwah & Methotasa were Tecumseh`s true parents-. There is mixed tribal ancestry Cherokee,Creek,& Shawnee some say that Pucksinwah`s parentage was mestizo-Creek father & mother was daughter of an English colonial governor mixed in his background also.
Suggested reading: "I Have Spoken, American History Through the Voices of the Indians" by Virginia Irving Armstrong. In Tecumseh A Life by John Sugden there is also helpful information.
March 9,1768 was the aniversary of Tecumseh`s birth."A Sorrow In Our Heart-the Life of Tecumseh" by Allan W. Eckert & (novel)"Panther In The Sky" by James Alexander Thom.
It is hard grief for me as it was Wm.H.Harrison on one side of my family that battled Tecumseh on the other side of my family.I have been stalked from one (W.Va.)site to another with this harasser for over a week on the Harrison State Message board, on this site.I know that we are to love our enemies, bless them that curse us & pray for those who despitefully persecute us. I know that the Lord says thou shalt not steal, kill, & covet.This guy is trying to humiliate me & is demanding to know how Tecumseh & Harrison line came together.Like I owe him an explanation.I want to find my living relatives,I have found many on my dad`s side.The greenstone was passed down thru my dad`s mom`s side of my family. Tecumseh would know what to do. My heart is heavy.
Did you read Kathy Bluejacket`s message about the DNA test that proved that Bluejacket was indiginous? Just having made contact with so many of my relatives proves to me that Tecumseh`s prediction can be so.
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