Im looking for list of factorys or home based straw hat businesses lists.Or dyers/colorists guild lists. Looking for William Young or son William Charles Young early 1800's[1815-1850]

No Youngs listed under Straw hat & Bonnet manufacturers and plait dealers in Luton in the 1830 Pigot's Directory.

However census occupations indicate that these William Youngs were, in common with a large percentage of the population of Luton and surrounding areas, employees in, rather than proprietors of, straw hat related businesses

Regards

David

Thank-you David. Is there a way to find an ancestors place of employment..My ancestor was credited for bringing a certain procedure of Dying to Massachusetts circa 1857, for straw hat and wool dying. I have enclosed a family portrait of William Charles-wife Emily Ann (At(t)wood and 7 sons that pursued fathers occupation.
Thank-You in advance for your valuable time
Cindy

David On page 21 of Pigots there is a Cornelia Young(1830) mentioned.I came across that info in here under databases-UK and Ireland directories. Could I please ask you to see what page 21 contains of Cornelia.I would greatly appreciate it thank-you for your time

Luton
Taverns & Public Houses
Cross Keys, Cornelia Young, George St.

That's all I'm afraid.

Regards


David

Thank-you very much David,for your valuable time. Its a tid bit, but I am very excited to see a new path sprout. My mind instantly went to a horse and buggy trotting down a cobblestone path.The clip clopping of the hooves, ecoing off walls and dangling business signs, one of which reads " Cornelias Pub " .... ok.. I am of my own mold,one of a kind myself.But it lays focus on a woman who is one of my road blocks.If my sources are correct..Her maiden name was Hooker I cant figure out where she came from.She married William Young 1802/3, had son William that married a Frances Hooker(dau. of Samuel and Elizabeth Woodward)Wm. and Frances; m:1831 cr: son [Wm.1832-came to U.S.1857/8].
As you may well know in olde English script the names Cornelia and Amelia can look alike.In LDS I can find a marriage of Cornelia and William- but no birth of son Wm. I can find a birth of William born to an Amelia and William-but no record of a marriage between Amelia and Wm.
Only in my dreams am I able to substantiate any of this issue.If you have anu idea on how the name conflict can be resolve,I would love to hear it
thank-you Cindy Young

Hi Cindy

I think we've been through the Cornelia/Amelia thing before!

The IGI (controlled extract, therefore reliable) shows:

Cornalia/Cornealia Hooker chr 29 July 1784 at Luton, dau of Richard and Mary
and
Amelia Hooker christened 19 Aug 1787 at Luton, dau of Richard and Mary
The NBI shows a burial of Amelia Hooker at Luton on 3 Nov 1787

The IGI also shows
Cornelia Hooker married William Young 26 Apr 1803 at Luton.

The 1830 directory and censuses all show her as Cornelia, so I think you are on totally safe ground in assuming that it was the Cornelia chr 1784 who married William in 1803.

Your only problem is the christening of William on 3 Nov 1805 where his mother is shown as Amelia. As I and others have pointed out in the past, Cornelia could easily be mistranscribed as Amelia; or it could have been simply an error by the vicar, who actually wrote down Amelia. I am pretty sure it was an error by whoever wrote it in the parish register - the IGI was transcribed from the parish register, and the transcription made by Beds Record Office (which was compared with the Bishop's Transcript) also has it as Amelia - as was confirmed to you on Rootschat a couple of years ago. So two sources think it was Amelia written in the register.

This is an issue that you will probably NEVER be able to prove conclusively. It's a judgement call - on the balance of probabilities was William's mother Amelia or Cornelia?

For (Amelia being the mother):
- the parish register says so. (But with illiterate parishioners the clerk wrote down what he thought he heard. He thought Cornelia said Amelia so that's what he wrote in the register. Just because it's in the register doesn't mean it's right).

Against:
1)- there's only one entry in Beds for Amelia Hooker before 1805, which is the baptism I quoted above. And bear in mind that just about 100% of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI.
2)- this sole Amelia Hooker was buried a month after she was baptised.
Of course she may not have been Amelia Hooker, but another Amelia altogether, BUT
3)- there's no marriage of William Young to an Amelia anywhere in England,let alone in Beds - the only one before 1805 was in 1710!
4)- there's no burial of an Amelia Young in Beds 1600-1851
5)-if you believe that William's mother really was Amelia then you must also accept there must have been two William Youngs; one who had William in 1805; and the other who married Cornelia in 1803, but whose first child wasn't baptised until 1807 (unless of course there really was just the one William whose first wife was Amelia [but see 3 and 4 above]whose son William was born prior to his marriage to Cornelia and was a late baptism. But I think this is in the realm of fantasy.

I am SURE that William was the son of William and Cornelia, but I can't prove it.

You could:
- check the microfilm of Luton parish register to see what YOU think the 1805 baptism says - Amelia or Cornelia. This can be viewed at your nearest Family History Center of the LDS. Or you could pay Bedford and Luton Archives and Records Service (BLARS) to send you a print of the relevant page
- check the same register (or the transcript would be just as good) to see what the 1787 burial of Amelia says - probably, and hopefully, simply daughter of Richard and Mary
- check with BLARS to see if either William senior or Cornelia left a will, which might name children.

Regards

David

I was reviewing my postings and would like to thank you very much for the time you have invested in the Cornelia/ Amelia issue. I keep posting the same thing hoping someone new with different sources might have new info that might shed light on the subject. But I guess all Im doing is beating a dead dog. I really do appreciate the effort you have put forth...Cindy

Hi Cindy,
There is a Samuel HOOKER at George Street, Luton listed as a collar maker in Robson's commercial Directory of Beds, Bucks etc 1839, but no YOUNG in the straw hat or dying industry listed, and no Cordelia Young either.
Regards,

Hi Cindy

I have my doubts if anything new can surface - if it was a parish register error, which seems to be the case, then nothing new can surface. As I said, it's a judgment call, and everything points to an error being the case.

Regards

David