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Ira Stanphill

Ira Stanphill

Posted: 28 May 2004 11:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
In the process of researching my g-g-g-grandfather, James Pryor of Tennessee, I learned that on of James' granddaughters, Mary Ellen Pryor born 9/15/1862 d. 7/18/1940 married Jefferson Thompson Engler and had a daughter named Pearl Maud Engler who married a man named Andrew C. Stanphill and had two ons named Ira and Stewart Stanphill.

One of my all time favorite gospel songwriters was named Ira Stanphill and I was wondering if anyone knew if this might be the same man. Ira Stanphill is not that common of a name.

Betty Joe Gentry

Re: Ira Stanphill

gaye ratcliff (View posts)
Posted: 23 Feb 2006 8:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Andrew C. Stanphill married Maggie Engler and had Ray, Ira (the song writer and evangelist), and Andrew. Ray (my stepfather) is deceased, Ira died in 1994 and Andrew still lives with wife Mary in Albuquerque. My mom managed Uncle Ira's sheet music business (and my stepfather used a printing press in the garage) for a time in Fort Worth when Ira had a church there. His songs were written out of great personal tragedy. His first wife went into nightclub singing and eventually divorced him. He could not work as an Assembly of God pastor during that time

Re: Ira Stanphill

BettyJoe Gentry (View posts)
Posted: 23 Feb 2006 11:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much Gaye for this info. I'm sorry that I didn't have your stepfather listed among the children. Do you have birthdates on the Stanphill sons, too?

Now, all I have to do is figure out how many times removed they are as cousins to me...lol!

Re: Ira Stanphill

Gaye Ratcliff (View posts)
Posted: 24 Feb 2006 2:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
I'll ask mother. Maggie Flora Engler was 1/2 Sioux indian. I recall home movies of her mom sitting on the porch of an unpainted shack, shelling peas. This was in Arkansas. Alas, those are faded and gone.

Re: Ira Stanphill

Gaye Ratcliff (View posts)
Posted: 24 Feb 2006 3:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
Birthdates: Ray Sept 5, 1912, Ira 1914, Andrew 1921.
Ira wrote a biography in 1983 called "This Side of Heaven" but does not list birth dates. This book may still be available through a used book seller.

Re: Ira Stanphill

Betty Joe Gentry (View posts)
Posted: 24 Feb 2006 5:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
I've got to dig back into the Pryor files but I believe they've got the daughter of Mary Ellen Pryor and Jefferson Engler who married Stanphill listed as MAUD PEARL. Was Maggie Flora a sister and someone was confused as to which sister married whom? Also, if Maggie Flora was HALF Sioux she would have had to have gotten that from the Engler side since I know that although Mary Ellen Pryor was part Indian, she definitely was not a full blooded Sioux or any other tribe. OR....next question.... Did Jefferson Engler have TWO wives??

I'm sooooooo confused! I'll definitely did out the Pryor files and see if I can find a Maggie Flora. In the meantime, if you prefer you can e-mail me directly at
BettyJoe915@aol.com

Re: Ira Stanphill

Betty Joe Gentry (View posts)
Posted: 25 Feb 2006 4:16AM GMT
Classification: Query

Gaye,
I found Mary Ellen Pryor's file. She had at least 15 children...8 of whom were daughters. Maud Pearl [or Pearl Maud] was the oldest and Flora Magdalinda was one of the younger ones. It all comes down to the fact that your stepfather and Ira had the same gr-gr-gr-grandparents [James and Nancy Pryor of Overton Co., TN] as I. Mary Ellen's parents were John and Candis Malone Pryor of Overton Co., TN. However...if Flora Maggie Engler[ and therefore her siblings] was half Sioux it had to have come down through Jefferson Engler rather than Mary Ellen Pryor although the Pryors and Malones both do have some Cherokee in their bloodline. Hope I haven't confused you even more.

Re: Ira Stanphill

Gaye (View posts)
Posted: 25 Feb 2006 5:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
No wonder they called her Maggie! I e-mailed you but it was returned. Ray was born 9-5-1912, Ira in 1914 and Andrew 1921. That is all Mother could come up with. There is an autobiography by Ira called "This Side of Heaven." It was made into a video. I was able to view a borrowed copy. Same material as the book. . Raymond Ira, his son is still alive but probably wants no contacts. Ira has two daughters. Judy and Cathy. Cathy sang on the tribute disk that Jeron Davis had made.

Re: Ira Stanphill

BettyJoe Gentry (View posts)
Posted: 25 Feb 2006 2:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Gaye,
I guess I actually have more info than you. The Englers started out in Overton Co., TN but some of the later children were born in TX and AK. Maggie was born in TN and she was #9 born January 3, 1894. Jefferson Engler was born in Illinois and he and Mary Ellen both died in OK. Andrew Stanphill was born 10/20/1892 in AK and died 4/30/1979 in New Mexico. He and Flora were married 11/26/1911 in AK so the family definitely moved around. Ira's first wife, Zelma was also born in Illinois [that's where I'm from].

Don't know why your e-mail bounced back but if you want more of my info, let me know or try BettyJoe915@aol.com again. Thanks for your help.
BJ

Re: Ira Stanphill

Gaye Ratcliff (View posts)
Posted: 25 Feb 2006 3:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am passing on the information to my half sister who is blood kin to the Stanphills. Thanks, Gaye
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