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Gypsy ancestry

Posted: 7 Sep 2009 3:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
I started researching my family history late last year. My father's side is German and Hungarian. I recently fell into touch with a distant relative who has told me that the Hungarian side of our family is descended from gypsies.
My g-g grandmother Julia Rombala came to the United States in October of 1912 from the port of Fiume in Hungary on S.S. Pannonia with her three children Bela, Kataly, and Rosalia. Her husband was Janos Hugyecz and they were all from Budapest before coming to the states. They brought with them a tamborista which they had to sell in order to buy some land and ended up on a farm in Michigan. They later relocated to Cleveland, Ohio. I noticed on the ship's manifest that the origin/race states Magyar. I have read somewhere that sometimes gypsies put this down on the records to avoid persecution.

I've been able to find some information on Hugyecz line but am unsuccessful in tracing any part of the Rombala line.

Any ideas or suggestions as to how to pursue this line would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Re: Gypsy ancestry

Posted: 9 Oct 2009 7:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Fiume is now Rijeka in Croatia. it was since the 12th century part of the Austrian-Hungarian-Empire until 1919. only from 1805 - 1815 it was italian. in following link you find on top all the names of the town. Fiume belonged to the austrian crownland Küstenland (coastland).from rhis habour your ancestors emigrated.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rijeka

they are in the list for Hugyecz at Ellisisland immigrantshabour New York to find - they all came to their father Janos is stated on shipmanifest and they came from Szabadka not from Budapest :
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/search/matchMore.asp?LNM=H...
10. Bela Hugyecz from Szabadka age 10 1912
48. Julia Hugyecz Szabadka age 30 1912
49. Katalin Hugyecz Szabadka age 8 1912
82. Rosalia Hugyecz Szabadka age 6 1912
they came on Nov 09, 1912 on ship Pannonia from Fiume at Küstenland, Austrian-Hungarian Empire

34. Janos came before on Jun 18, 1912 about Bremen, Germany
at age 35

Szabadka (hungarian name) = Subotica in Serbia, in german named Maria-Theresiopel - on border to Hungary in Vojvodina
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subotica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subotica
http://www.balkansontheweb.net/img/subotica.jpg
http://www.szsu.co.rs/index.php?lng=en&page=location
next map shows, that Budapest is far away from Subotica:
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/ter/Countries/Corridors/corr...
Subotica is also in the Backa(german Batschka)-area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%C4%8Dka

Ellisisland also has some Rombala:
http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/search/matchMore.asp?MID=1...
Posted: 9 Oct 2009 7:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
familysearch.org has also an entry for Rombala.
www.familysearch.org
Veronika Rombala:
birth 1840 of Gollnitz,Szepes, Hungary

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelnica
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelnica
hungarian Gölnicbánya, today Gelnica , german Göllnitz
in the Komitat Zips (german), hungarian Szepes vármegye; slovakian Spišská župa.
it was for a time hungarian (ancestors-time), now slovakian.
maybe Julia Rombala also came from there ???

interesting - there exists a place called Rombala in Kenia,Africa :o)
http://www.placemarks.de/google-earth/1651908/rombala.html
Posted: 9 Oct 2009 8:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
maybe the name came about word "Romala"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people
http://www.romani.org/local/romhist.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

some songs of gypsy-music:
http://www.fan.pl/shopping/pe.php?id=0797843&language=2
1.: Kanarek
2.: Der Lange Weg
3.: Tziganotschi
4.: Komm Zigany
5.: Romala





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