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Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe

Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe

kaitlin (View posts)
Posted: 11 Dec 2004 7:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stubbe, Thorstraten, Petersen
I am looking for the ancestors of Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe who is listed in the Danish census records in Praesto, Denmark in 1850.

At that time she was married to Hillemer Nicolas Thorstraten and they had children; Maria Augusta, Hillemer Theodor, Ferdinand, Soren Julius, Mette Julia, Harald Heinrik Montrup, Frederikke Henriette and Frants Conrad Christen.

Frederikke Henriette was my great great grandmother, who emigrated to Australia with her husband Jorgen Johanne Petersen in the early 1880's.

I would like to find out any information about those people, but mostly who were Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe's family.

Thank you

Re: Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe

Torben Sørensen (View posts)
Posted: 13 Dec 2004 9:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kaitlin,

Unfortunately foryou the census only lists the bithplace as Holsten, both for Hilemar and his wife, but you can follow the family in the earlier and later censuses and get a bit more infotmation:

1860
(not trancribed yet, but available at www.arkivalieronline.dk, unfortunately very difficult to read!)
http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/data/folket%E6lling/FT1860/00...


1855
(not trancribed yet, but available at www.arkivalieronline.dk)
http://www.arkivalieronline.dk/data/folket%E6lling/FT1855/02...


1850:
Samtlige personer i husstanden

praestoe, Bjæverskov, Herfølge, Eiøie Bye, , en Gaard, 7, FT-1850
Der vises flg. felter:
Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested


Hillemer Nicolaus Thorstraten, 44, Gift, , Skovrider, huusfader, Holsten
Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe, 41, Gift, , Hans kone, Holsten
Marie Augusta Thorstraten, 14, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Hillemer Theodor Thorstraten, 13, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Ferdinand Thorstraten, 12, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Søren Julius Thorstraten, 9, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Mette Julia Thorstraten, 9, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Harald Heinrik Montrup Thorstraten, 7, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Frederikke Henriette Thorstraten, 5, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Frants Conrad Christen Thorstraten, 1, Ugift, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Signe Cathrine Funck, 24, Ugift, , Lærerinde, Aalborg
Karen Christensdatter, 25, Ugift, , Tjenestepige, Endersløv sogn, Præstø Amt
Maren Pedersdatter, 37, Ugift, , Tjenestepige, Taarnbye sogn, Præstø Amt
Karen Pedersdatter, 30, Enke(mand), , Tjenestepige, Himlingøie sogn, Præstø Amt
Jens Christiansen, 25, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl, Her i sognet
Jens Christensen, 26, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl, Valløebye sogn, Præstø Amt


1845
Samtlige personer i husstanden

praestoe, Bjæverskov, Herfølge, Eiøie By, , En gaard, 29, FT-1845
Der vises flg. felter:
Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested


Hildemar Thorstraten, 38, Gift, , Skovrider, Holsteen, Grevskabet Retrau
Augusta Dons Hubbe, 35, Gift, , Hans kone, Reinfeld
Maria Thorstraten, 9, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Hildemar Thorstraten, 8, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Ferdmand Thorstraten, 6, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Julius Søren Thorstraten, 4, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Julie Molla Thorstraten, 4, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Heinrik Harald Mandrup Thorstraten, 2, -, , Deres barn, Her i sognet
Kirstine Amalia Antonette St??, 22, Ugift, , Lærerinde, Kjøbenhavn
Ane Maria Hansdatter, 21, Ugift, , Tjenestepige, Endersløv sogn, Præstøe Amt
Ane Pedersdatter, 26, Ugift, , Tjenestepige, Storeheddinge
Hans Christensen, 29, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl, Valløby sogn, Præstøe Amt
Rasmus Nielsen, 20, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl, Taarnbye sogn, Præstøe Amt


1840
Samtlige personer i husstanden

praestoe, Bjæverskov, Herfølge, Eiøie Bye, , Brandshuus, 6, FT-1840
Der vises flg. felter:
Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested

Heileman Nilaus Thorstraten, 35, Gift, , Skovrider,
Augusta Stømbe, 31, Gift, , Hans kone,
Maria Augusta Thorstraten, 5, Ugift, , Deres barn,
Heilman Theodor Thorstraten, 3, Ugift, , Deres barn,
Ferdinand Thorstraten, 1, Ugift, , Deres barn,
Maren Laudelbal, 22, Ugift, , Huusfaders beslægtede, der af ham forsørges,
Frederikke Laudelbal, 19, Ugift, , Huusfaders beslægtede, der af ham forsørges,
Jacob Mortensen, 45, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl,
Christen Pedersen, 28, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl,
Dorte Hendriksdatter, 21, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,
Johanne Hansdatter, 22, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,

1834 (I feel certain that this must be Hilemar:)
Samtlige personer i husstanden

praestoe, Bjæverskov, Herfølge, Herfølge Bye, , Hegnetslund, 23, FT-1834
Der vises flg. felter:
Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested


Ferdinand Vedell, 45, Gift, , Hofjægermester, ridder, baron samt overførster ??,
Augusta Vedell født comtesse Schack, 47, Gift, , Hans kone,
Casper Vedell, 13, Ugift, , Deres barn,
Carl Vedell, 12, Ugift, , Deres barn,
Henrich Ranzau, 19, Ugift, , Forvalter,
Niels Christian Egeriis, 31, Ugift, , Huuslærer, student,
Jens Hansen, 24, Ugift, , Avlsbestyrer,
Thor Straten, 29, Ugift, , Forstcandidat,
Carl Ernst, 22, Ugift, , Forstelev,
Hans Sørensen, 24, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl,
Jens Pedersen, 21, Ugift, , Tjenestekarl,
Hans Andersen, 73, Ugift, , Røgter,
Hans Hansen, 17, Ugift, , Tjener,
Mine Dippel, 25, Ugift, , Kammerjomfrue,
Christiane Hansen, 40, Ugift, , Huusholderske,
Mette Hansdatter, 19, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,
Ellen Larsdatter, 26, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,
Karen Larsdatter, 29, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,
Kirsten Jørgensdatter, 26, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,
Maren Sørensdatter, 27, Ugift, , Tjenestepige,

You can see that Hilemar is unmarried in 1834, and with a bit of luck, you might be able to find the marriage in Herfølge in the following years (first child is born 1834-36). Sometimes the marriage records give more information about the birthplaces.

You should also notice that the 1845 census is a bit more specific about the birth place.

Don't be mislead by the fact that the spelling of names changes. Spelling was not uniform in those days and there might also be transcribe errors. (Check the original sources if you want to see for yourself)

In 1840 there are some relatives of the husband living with the family, this might also be a clue.

good luck with your search!

Torben

Re: Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe

kaitlin (View posts)
Posted: 13 Dec 2004 10:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Stubbe, Thorstraten, Petersen
Dear Torben Sorensen,

Thank you very much for that information, it is a wonderful help!

Yes, they are very hard to read, but at least somewhere to start and perhpas when I visit denmark it will give me some places to look.

Again thank you :)

Kaitlin

Thorstraten-Stubbe

Posted: 21 Jan 2005 7:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: thor Straten
Torben,
I just found this thread, and was surprised to find Soren Julius Thorstraten among the 1850 census listings. I believe he may be an ancestor in my family tree who immigrated to Baltimore, Maryland, USA in 1860.

Could you help to translate the language written after the individuals' names, and the description for 1850 into English? Thank you in advance.

Also, I apologize that my keyboard doesn't have the correct character to replace the letter "o" in "Soren".

Martha W.

Re: Hane Augusta Dortea Stubbe

kaitlin (View posts)
Posted: 22 Jan 2005 5:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thorstraten, Petersen, Apmann,
Dear Torben,

After some more research, I have discovered that the Henriette Thorstraten that I am looking for is not the Fredderikke Henriette Thorstraten that I had found in the Census records, however, is in fact related to her in some way.

I have discovered that the Henriette Thorstraten that I was seeking is in fact Henriette Clausine Thorstraten, whose mother was Anna Jacobine Johanne Apmann, who married anouther Nicolas Thorstraten.

Anna Jacobine Johanna Apmann's father was Herman Apmann and her mother's name was Marha Apmann{maiden name unknown}.

I discovered this information upon finding a Robert Thorstraten who has a 'Thorstraten Family tree on his webstite.

It appears that the Nicolas Thorstraten who married Anna Jacobine Johanna Thorstraten is related to the Nicolaus Thorstraten who was the father of the Fredderikke Henriette Thorstraten.

So they are indeed related, but it was not the right Henriette, although in the same family tree.

So, it was Henriette clausine Thorstraten who married George Johanne Petersen and moved to Australia :)

Thanks again

Kaitlin

Re: Thorstraten-Stubbe

Torben Sørensen (View posts)
Posted: 24 Jan 2005 9:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Marta,

Søren jlius is just listed as "their child", unmarried and the age (9 in 1850) and born in the parish (Herfølge).

i looked in the emigration database and found the following:

Name: Straten, Christen Thor Occupation: Landmand
Age: 24 Destination: New York
Contract no.: 208900 Registration date: 4/14/1869
Last res. parish: Køge Last res. county: København
Last residence: Kjøge Destination country: USA
Destination city: New York City Destination state: New York State
Name of ship: Direkte
IDcode: D6970S0209

This could be a Thorstraten child although the age doesn't really match any of the census listings.

Regards
Torben

I couldn't find Søren Juliu

Re: Thorstraten-Stubbe

Posted: 24 Jan 2005 7:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Torben,

Thank you for the information. Also, in the previous reply to Kaitlin you posted links for the 1855 & 1860 censuses at www.arkivalieronline.dk, but I could not access these-in fact my computer crashes each time I try. Could you tell me if Søren Julius is listed in either census with other family members? I'm working on locating his immigration information. I appreciate your help.

Martha

Re: Thorstraten-Stubbe

Torben Sørensen (View posts)
Posted: 25 Jan 2005 8:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Martha,

Søren Julius is listed in 1855 (age 14) and 1860 age 19, but no new information is available (the 1860 census is very difficult to read because of bad scanning of the original, so to a certain extend i am guessing, I can make out "... Juliu.. Thor Straten" and the age 19, so I guess it is Søren Julius)

You need a Tiff plug-in in order to read the contents of www.arkivalieronline.dk and you need to be registered if you want to search yourself.

My previous posting ended a bit sudden, I meant to write that I had looked for Søren Julius in the emmigration database, but I couldn't find him.

Regards
Torben

Re: Thorstraten-Stubbe

Posted: 25 Jan 2005 5:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Torben,

Thanks for looking up the censuses. I also found the Danish Emigration Database, and I believe the reason Julius isn't there is because the database begins in 1869, and if this is my Julius, he immigrated to the US in 1860, and married in October 1869 in the state of Maryland, USA. The age for him is correct. He may have been enumerated in 1860 in Denmark, and then left thereafter-he is not in the US 1860 census.

Thank you again-
Sincerely,
Martha
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